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Old 04-27-2011, 19:19   #76
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We don't even have binding arbitration. If we reach an impasse we can go to fact finding and mediation, but the mediator's recommendation isn't binding on either party. Somehow we still make it work.

Razdog's hit the main point of collective bargaining again: The pay and benefits are nowhere near the most important things.

Look at this way: In a police department you have people sworn to uphold the rule of law. Should those people's performance of their job duty be more or less free from political interference?
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Old 04-27-2011, 19:38   #77
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You worked for a jail, right? What, some backwoods little hick town that had maybe 40 beds filled on a busy week? I work for the largest jail in my state, with an inmate population greater than most of the towns in your county. Think things might be a little different in the big city, than in the sticks? Think that maybe an agency of 450+ sworn officer has some problems that don't really occur when you have 10 employees or so?
Oh noes.................the dreaded my peepee is bigger than your peepee argument.

Oh before you go all big city popo on me, we were FOP, until we realized they don't do much except take $$$ and we went IBPO. 450 officers would staff 3 of our 6 precincts. We were County PD, also had County SO total well over 2000 sworn.

Guess what....there is no more $$$$, cuts and I mean painful cuts are coming. I've been retired since 2004, thought I had it made, insurance went from 300.00 mo to 800.00 month (my part) it ain't over yet. Why do public sector unions think they don't have to suffer? We all will.
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Old 04-27-2011, 20:09   #78
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I just heard that the Democrats in Mass. just voted to cut the collective bargaining rights of the public sector employees. The public sector unions are extremely pissed off. They thought that they had spent enough to keep themselves safe.

Guess not.
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Old 04-28-2011, 05:41   #79
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Yes..every working man must suffer so the welfare checks can continue to roll out...god forbid that someone has to get a job or starve when they can just hose those who actually work instead...
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Old 04-28-2011, 14:00   #80
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Hay Kadet Klapp, I just wanted to tell you that I agree with a good bit of your posts in this thread. I think you summed up a good bit of the way I feel.
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Old 04-28-2011, 14:44   #81
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Hay Kadet Klapp, I just wanted to tell you that I agree with a good bit of your posts in this thread. I think you summed up a good bit of the way I feel.
I'm sorry it had to degenerate into name-calling and tongue-lashing, and nothing was accomplished I'm sure. I guess that invisible geographical line separating Indiana and Ohio (and I guess KY) makes working in public safety worlds different than I'm used to. I cannot fathom a union take-over.

I still don't understand what benefit the union provides. If it's not hostage-taking, then what is it? If you aren't allowed by law to strike, then what leg does a union stand on? Someone has to be under "threat" to concede.

When I was working in a UAW shop, we had grievances about safety issues involving failing brakes on our trucks, warning lights not working, inadequate radio systems, etc. Our union stewards were a joke and about as useful as a de-barked chihuahua would be for a guard dog. We had to go thru OSHA to get the problems addressed. OSHA visits are NOT pleasant. They make a managers life hell. After one swoop thru the sub-district from OSHA, things were pretty much cleaned up. I still don't know why I had to pay union dues only to have a taxpayer agency come in and solve the problem.......

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Old 05-19-2011, 22:45   #82
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Local judge orders 9 of his staff to leave the FOP:

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/may/...ion-ar-496486/

Can't say I agree with this...
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:22   #83
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Local judge orders 9 of his staff to leave the FOP:

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/may/...ion-ar-496486/

Can't say I agree with this...
I really don't think that is legal....
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Old 05-21-2011, 20:35   #84
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Local judge orders 9 of his staff to leave the FOP:

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/may/...ion-ar-496486/

Can't say I agree with this...
WTF, over?

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Old 05-22-2011, 06:51   #85
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Just remember that "right to work" typically have much lower taxes and cost of living. I moved to Georgia from Ohio in the early 80's and love it. I make less, but my standard of living is MUCH higher...
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:06   #86
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Just remember that "right to work" typically have much lower taxes and cost of living. I moved to Georgia from Ohio in the early 80's and love it. I make less, but my standard of living is MUCH higher...
That's fine in theory, but at no point during these "discussions" has the Governer even suggested that we would see a decrease in taxes.
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