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Old 05-09-2011, 21:29   #1
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.357 sig defense hollowpoint ammo... specifically 125gr

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What do you use for .357 sig hollowpoint ammo?

Also, I picked up a couple boxes of 125gr ranger-t LE ammo and then looked at the winchester comparison chart of ranger-t ammo, and was underwhelmed by its performance. it looks like it underperforms against most of the ranger-t line of 9mm. The bonded version of the 125gr looks great, but I was wondering why the regular underperforms when compared to the others. Any thoughts?
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Old 05-09-2011, 22:54   #2
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I agree on the shallow penetration as by Winchester's own test charts. The Ranger T 357SIG round should perform well in the real world though. In my Glock 32 I carry the 125gr Federal HST which has good expansion with adequate penetration. Speer Gold Dot is my second choice. Bill
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Old 05-09-2011, 23:23   #3
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I carry Gold Dots. In addition to the above I've also seen 125gr jhp in: CorBon, Remington, Double Tap, Winchester White Box JHP,
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Ranger-T

What do you use for .357 sig hollowpoint ammo?

Also, I picked up a couple boxes of 125gr ranger-t LE ammo and then looked at the winchester comparison chart of ranger-t ammo, and was underwhelmed by its performance. it looks like it underperforms against most of the ranger-t line of 9mm. The bonded version of the 125gr looks great, but I was wondering why the regular underperforms when compared to the others. Any thoughts?
The higher impact vel causes rapid expansion & loss of peetration. The various bonded bullets do a better job. I happily carry the Ranger, SGDHP or Rem GSB (if you can find it). All make 1300fps in my P239.
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Old 05-10-2011, 06:03   #5
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The higher impact vel causes rapid expansion & loss of peetration. The various bonded bullets do a better job. I happily carry the Ranger, SGDHP or Rem GSB (if you can find it). All make 1300fps in my P239.
Do you carry the bonded version of those bullets? Thanks.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:19   #6
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Cheaper than Dirt currently has some Rem Golden Saber Bonded in stock if you want to try those. I carry HSTs and GDs right now.
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Ranger-T

What do you use for .357 sig hollowpoint ammo?

Also, I picked up a couple boxes of 125gr ranger-t LE ammo and then looked at the winchester comparison chart of ranger-t ammo, and was underwhelmed by its performance. it looks like it underperforms against most of the ranger-t line of 9mm. The bonded version of the 125gr looks great, but I was wondering why the regular underperforms when compared to the others. Any thoughts?
I carry the "hotter" SGDs (54234).

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Old 05-10-2011, 08:55   #8
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I carry 125g HST's in my p226 and Corbon 125g DPX in my g33. Have some Ranger T's laying around as well but they are not in the cycle atm. The HST is one nice feeling round though I must say.
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Do you carry the bonded version of those bullets? Thanks.
Yes, either of the three I mentioned. The HST looks good too, just haven't bought any yet. I feel the higher impact vel warrants a bonded bullet to prevent fragmentation & increase penetration.
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:36   #10
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I never noticed how shallow that RangerT 357 SIG is. Also note how much weight it lost. It must be making a heck of a temporary stretch cavity.
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I never noticed how shallow that RangerT 357 SIG is. Also note how much weight it lost. It must be making a heck of a temporary stretch cavity.
No doubt. It must wreak havoc on the tissue it hits on impact because of how quickly it slows and loses weight.
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No doubt. It must wreak havoc on the tissue it hits on impact because of how quickly it slows and loses weight.
Yeah, if you ever shoot some animate objects w/ the 357sig & any JHP, it's pretty impressive how much energy tansfer there is. Now whether that makes it a "better" round is debatable, but more vel is always good if the bullet will stand it on impact.
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Yes, either of the three I mentioned. The HST looks good too, just haven't bought any yet. I feel the higher impact vel warrants a bonded bullet to prevent fragmentation & increase penetration.
i use all bonded Gold Dots in all of my defense rounds. for the 357sig i also use HSTs around the house and urban areas, Gold Dots for the woods and rural areas. as far as HSTs they are the only non bonded bullet i would use. i have watched enough video tests to know the HST is not coming apart and as far as penetration the HST does well. so for the sig its either Gold Dots or HSTs, i have great confidence in both.
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What do you use for .357 sig hollowpoint ammo?
Federal 125-grain HST, Speer 125-Gold Dot, Fiocchi 124-grain Extrema XTP (haven't shot any yet), Double Tap 125- and 147-grain Gold Dot.

I also saved ten rounds of Remington green/white box 125-grain JHP that from what few sites I've been able to find seems to be a good self-defense round. Although this caliber comes in for much criticism over the fewer number of ammo choices compared to other duty calibers what ammo is available is reputedly excellent stuff. The 125-grain Speer Gold Dot receives the most accolades from what I gather and that may possibly be due to that specific bullet's shallow cup having been designed expressly for the caliber.

The first two rounds listed above are what I currently have loaded in my mags, but as often as not one of the mags is loaded with the Double Tap 147-grain Gold Dot. I think .357sig is the proper caliber for that weight bullet - 1250 fps/510 ft lbs muzzle energy through a 4" barrel if DT's numbers are accurate.

I'd really like trying Golden Saber Bonded but checking CTD's site I didn't see any offered in .357sig.
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I'd really like trying Golden Saber Bonded but checking CTD's site I didn't see any offered in .357sig.
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I just picked up a few boxes of 125gr gold dot. I'm going to use these instead of the Ranger-t. Also interested in the 147gr sig bullets as well.
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I just picked up a few boxes of 125gr gold dot. I'm going to use these instead of the Ranger-t. Also interested in the 147gr sig bullets as well.
Can't go wrong with the GDs. Didja get the 3918s or the 4234s?
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Federal 125-grain HST, Speer 125-Gold Dot, Fiocchi 124-grain Extrema XTP (haven't shot any yet), Double Tap 125- and 147-grain Gold Dot.

I also saved ten rounds of Remington green/white box 125-grain JHP that from what few sites I've been able to find seems to be a good self-defense round. Although this caliber comes in for much criticism over the fewer number of ammo choices compared to other duty calibers what ammo is available is reputedly excellent stuff. The 125-grain Speer Gold Dot receives the most accolades from what I gather and that may possibly be due to that specific bullet's shallow cup having been designed expressly for the caliber.

The first two rounds listed above are what I currently have loaded in my mags, but as often as not one of the mags is loaded with the Double Tap 147-grain Gold Dot. I think .357sig is the proper caliber for that weight bullet - 1250 fps/510 ft lbs muzzle energy through a 4" barrel if DT's numbers are accurate.

I'd really like trying Golden Saber Bonded but checking CTD's site I didn't see any offered in .357sig.
I have played w/ other bullet reloading & think that a 135grJHP @ 1300fps would be about perfect. I used the Speer 135grGDHSB to make some loads up. I stayed intentionally lower vel due to the larger 0.357 bullet, still makes 1250fps easily.
The 125grRemGSB is available form time to time. The bullet is also specificly designed for the 357sig. Both shape & HP design, very shallow cup point, work to fi the round. Perfromance is on par w/ the GDHP, at least in my crude wetpack testing.
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Can't go wrong with the GDs. Didja get the 3918s or the 4234s?
I got the 4234s. I researched them and it looked like they are a little higher fps. Is there any other difference between them? Thanks
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I got the 4234s. I researched them and it looked like they are a little higher fps. Is there any other difference between them? Thanks
5 petal GD vs 6 petal GD bullet. The higher velocity version has the 6 petal version. I have both, have to get a pic some time with both side by side. Below is a 5 petal GD next to a Hornady XTP.
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