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05-12-2011, 05:15
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05-12-2011, 05:57
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Where's my EBT?
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander...
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05-12-2011, 06:16
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What was he protesting, exactly?
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05-12-2011, 06:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MeefZah
What was he protesting, exactly?
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/11...american-flag/
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Haas organized the protest in response to the arrest of fellow LSU student Isaac Eslava, who was charged last week for taking the American flag at the Baton Rouge campus’ historic War Memorial and burning it hours after news of Usama bin Laden’s killing by U.S. Navy Seals.
The 10-by-15 flag burned by Eslava flew atop a 102-foot pole 24 hours a day at the campus and honors all the war dead from LSU. Police said there was about $7,530 worth of damage at the memorial and called it very "coincidental" that the event took place so soon after bin Laden's death.
“I think that (Haas') goal from this protest was to have LSU drop charges (against Eslava) and handle the matter internally,” Ballard said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/11...#ixzz1M8lCpNQk
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Following Haas' fiasco...
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Haas' protest was followed by a separate peaceful assembly led by LSU student government president Cody Wells. In front of a crowd gathered around the campus’ flagpole, Wells read the history behind the American flag and led the audience in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and singing the national anthem.
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Wells went on to say, “My main message behind all of this is that it’s time for my generation and our society to start speaking up so that the minority voice does not always seem like the loudest voice,” Wells said. “(Haas) did have the right to burn the flag, but it was not an honorable thing for him to do and our student body and fellow Louisianans made that very clear today as they rallied on campus to show support for our county.”
See, some kids do have their heads screwed on right.
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Kind of like on the internet forums - People continually flip someone off who they know is obligated to not break the rules in response. Yeah, usually that type of stupidity eventually yields the rewards that are earned.
And then there are those trying so hard to be offended that they're imagining things that haven't even been said in a thread.
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05-12-2011, 09:58
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Originally Posted by ronduke
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Not quite chased away. LSU PD removed him for his own safety after some of the counter-protesters became violent. I certainly don't condone his actions, but the "patriots" didn't come off that well, IMO. A counter-protest is one thing, stifling free speech by use of force or violence is something else entirely, IMO.
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05-12-2011, 10:14
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Originally Posted by David Armstrong
Not quite chased away. LSU PD removed him for his own safety after some of the counter-protesters became violent. I certainly don't condone his actions, but the "patriots" didn't come off that well, IMO. A counter-protest is one thing, stifling free speech by use of force or violence is something else entirely, IMO.
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The government didn't stifle his free speech, they don't have a right to; his fellow students on the other hand can't violate his right to free speech because he has no protection against it.
I can't view the video, so I cna't see the "violence". Did they touch him or just threaten it?
ETA- after reading the Fox piece, I wonder what actions resulted in the use of combative as a description for the crowd. He moved, the crowd followed and the police acted in an abundance of caution to move him away.
Water balloons- classic
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05-12-2011, 10:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Armstrong
Not quite chased away. LSU PD removed him for his own safety after some of the counter-protesters became violent. I certainly don't condone his actions, but the "patriots" didn't come off that well, IMO. A counter-protest is one thing, stifling free speech by use of force or violence is something else entirely, IMO.
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If Soldier's are expected to fight and die to protect our flag, the American flag, is it wrong for others to protect it as well?
Did he have permit for an open fire?
What does the law for arson state?
IMHO if you are in an area that has a large group of people, and you do a dumb act, you deserve the whooping that follows. Burn a flag in front of Soldiers, be a white guy and use the N word in front of a large group of black people, use the word ***** in font of a group of women. Hate speech is hate speech. The first Amendment only covers some speech, not all speech.
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05-12-2011, 11:44
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Well, unlike China, the cops didn't drag him away or beat him. American action as it should be, even if boisterous.
And yes, reckless burning, burning without enclosure and some other charges come to mind should we encounter something similar.
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05-12-2011, 22:08
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I am of the mind if a person wants to so much do damage to the flag representing the country that I serve, then the person in particular should simply enfold one's self into the loving embraces of the burning flag, and be consumed therewith.
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05-13-2011, 02:25
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I respect and will protect the right of someone who wants to exercise their 1st Amendment Right to burn our flag. I will also respect anyone who defends the honor of my country by beating the crap out of said flag burner.
I didn't see a thing by the way. Someone called my name and I turned away to look, thereby not seeing the alleged incident where the hippie flag burner got attacked.
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05-13-2011, 09:14
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Well said.'08.
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05-13-2011, 09:55
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you savvy?
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wha fraking wha.....i have no problem with somebody getting the schiet kicked out of them for disgracing our flag on purpose.
dont like? get the frack out.
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05-13-2011, 09:58
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So many of the under 40 crowd has been brainwarshed into good little Progressives who have issues with The Racist Bigoted Homophobic slave owning coloniailist imperialist American flag and want it changed ... 
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05-13-2011, 11:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BamaTrooper
The government didn't stifle his free speech, they don't have a right to; his fellow students on the other hand can't violate his right to free speech because he has no protection against it.
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Free speech can be stifled without consideration of a rights issue.
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I can't view the video, so I cna't see the "violence". Did they touch him or just threaten it?
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Objects were thrown. I thought the water balloons were cute, but then it escalated to full water bottles and then soda cans and other hard objects.
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05-13-2011, 11:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cav
If Soldier's are expected to fight and die to protect our flag, the American flag, is it wrong for others to protect it as well?
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Depends entirely on how they protect it and other considerations.
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Did he have permit for an open fire?
What does the law for arson state?
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Not needed and irrelevant, IIRC. The area he was in is sort of a free-speech zone where individual demonstrations and such are allowed, and there would have been no arson.
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IMHO if you are in an area that has a large group of people, and you do a dumb act, you deserve the whooping that follows. Burn a flag in front of Soldiers, be a white guy and use the N word in front of a large group of black people, use the word ***** in font of a group of women. Hate speech is hate speech. The first Amendment only covers some speech, not all speech.
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We'll have to disagree. Might does not make right, and given that the Court has specifically ruled flag burning as protected speech hard to argue against that. I find it problematic at best, and I like I said, I think the water balloons were a brilliant idea as counter-protest. but when it becomes violent that is a different ballgame, IMO.
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05-13-2011, 19:33
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I think it is brilliant.
Free speech for everyone... What? Surprised that not everyone agrees with you?
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05-13-2011, 20:18
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Originally Posted by GackMan
I think it is brilliant.
Free speech for everyone... What? Surprised that not everyone agrees with you?
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And therein is the crux of the issue he failed to realize.
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05-13-2011, 22:33
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Originally Posted by Hack
I am of the mind if a person wants to so much do damage to the flag representing the country that I serve, then the person in particular should simply enfold one's self into the loving embraces of the burning flag, and be consumed therewith.
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Eloquence in action, well said Hack. 
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05-14-2011, 10:00
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That is the best news I've heard all week! GO LSU students!
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05-14-2011, 10:06
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All that was missing was pitch forks and torches and that would have been the PERFECT Mob! Good for them.
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05-15-2011, 10:35
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When the Israeli Consul Guy tried to Talk at UC Irvine the Pro Arab /Anti-Zionist far left mob tried to chase the guy off Campus too ... 1st. Amendment
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05-15-2011, 17:06
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The flag belonged to someone else (in this case LSU, correct?) therefore some sort of criminal mischief/criminal damaging or something should apply even if nothing fire related does. At the very least I'm sure he obstructed passageways, risked a catastrophe, or violated something in Louisiana's disorderly conduct statute that could get him at least paper. Youns guys gotta get more creative n'at!
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05-16-2011, 10:14
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Dirt-bag has got to drop that burning flag sometime, NOW he's burning/defacing/vandalizing school property... 
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05-17-2011, 09:38
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Texas has laws about burning flags, we dont care about the other 49 states, but we do care about America and Texas;
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42.11. DESTRUCTION OF FLAG. (a) A person commits an
offense if the person intentionally or knowingly damages, defaces,
mutilates, or burns the flag of the United States or the State of
Texas.
(b) In this section, "flag" means an emblem, banner, or
other standard or a copy of an emblem, standard, or banner that is
an official or commonly recognized depiction of the flag of the
United States or of this state and is capable of being flown from a
staff of any character or size. The term does not include a
representation of a flag on a written or printed document, a
periodical, stationery, a painting or photograph, or an article of
clothing or jewelry.
(c) It is an exception to the application of this section
that the act that would otherwise constitute an offense is done in
conformity with statutes of the United States or of this state
relating to the proper disposal of damaged flags.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
Added by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., 1st C.S., ch. 27, § 1, eff. Sept.
1, 1989. Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 42.14 by Acts
1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
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