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Old 05-12-2011, 13:48   #1
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Must see movie: Mugabe and the White African

LongGun1 suggested this movie this morning on another thead and I was able to catch it over lunch today via Netflix streaming.

This is a must see movie. I'm not going to give away anything but the movie is about when the rule of law disappears and a dictator who wants to take from the productive members of society and give it to the less fortunate.

How far would you go to protect what is rightfully yours?

Here is the trailer:

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Uxz03dyZj40" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="349" width="560"></iframe>


Please consider watching and if you do I hope it was worth your time.
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Old 05-12-2011, 15:36   #2
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LongGun1 suggested this movie this morning on another thead and I was able to catch it over lunch today via Netflix streaming.

This is a must see movie. I'm not going to give away anything but the movie is about when the rule of law disappears and a dictator who wants to take from the productive members of society and give it to the less fortunate.

How far would you go to protect what is rightfully yours?

Here is the trailer:

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Uxz03dyZj40" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="349" width="560"></iframe>


Please consider watching and if you do I hope it was worth your time.
Its Africa. Most of the continent operates like this and it doesn't matter if you are white or a member of another tribe... This is how things are over there...

I'd pack up and leave and look for a better place to live. Otherwise you and your family would end up hacked to mincemeat with machetes. Ain't no S&P here...because there's no obvious solution--its simply best to take your lumps and get out of Dodge.
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Old 05-12-2011, 16:01   #3
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Agree with Big Bird.
Any money spent on Africa is wasted. In Africa the leader is the one with the biggest stick. These are subsistence cultures that should have been left well alone. Somewhere around the 17th century, some sailors could have done the world a favour (including the Africans themselves) by following a kind of prime directive.
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Old 05-12-2011, 20:42   #4
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Its Africa. Most of the continent operates like this and it doesn't matter if you are white or a member of another tribe... This is how things are over there...

I'd pack up and leave and look for a better place to live. Otherwise you and your family would end up hacked to mincemeat with machetes. Ain't no S&P here...because there's no obvious solution--its simply best to take your lumps and get out of Dodge.

Not long ago, Rhodesia was a fairly nice place to live....for blacks & whites. Called "The Bread Basket of Africa", and was the land of plenty, but now it takes UN Food Shipments & other forms of charity for the populace to survive! The Rhodesian dollar was worth more than the USD several decades ago under Ian Smith....but after the destruction of the producing populace by Mugabe's socialist policies in the new "Zimbabwe", the conversion rate of the Zim Dollar to the USD was TRILLIONS to one US DIME! Inflation so bad that it was measured in numbers most people have never heard of.....maybe with the exception of the number GOOGLE....yep google is an amount! Mugabe had heaps of honorary degrees heaped upon him by a plethora of the so-called 'enlightened' western institutions of higher learning, but since finding out the monster he truly is, only one that I remember has shown any backbone & revoked the same!


Hey.....I know of some members reading this forum who can remember Detroit, Los Angeles, Memphis & many other towns and cities in the US being "nice places to live, work & raise a family"! When those areas became crime infested crapholes due to government intervention into local social policy & the construction of crime generating welfare hotels like Cabrini Green, they fled & created the suburbs. Then the government, in its infinite wisdom, tore down the crime-ridden urban cesspools & relocated the 'less fortunate' to the suburbs! Where exactly should the "producing citizens" move to now, especially as many are upside down in mortgages, due to .gov intervention in banking lending policy & social/societal intervention, as well as an out-of-control .gov spending policy taking more & more wealth from those producers who it rightfully belongs to.

That being said, this story parallels what many are facing here in the future...as the seemingly boundless wealth of America is now just a heavily mortgaged shell of what it once was! Once upon a time, property taxes were voted on by those who owned property & actually paid the taxes! Now anyone who can pull a polling booth lever can vote themselves deeper & deeper into your finances...as well as elect those who will assist in creating new laws & regulations to do so! And those voting 'have nots' are demanding a larger & larger share of a shrinking pie! What used to be charity... donated by churches to the truly unfortunate....now is forcibly taken by government from productive members of society then given to many of those who prey on society their entire lives (who then breed 10 more) & then have the nerve to call this sham now perpetrated on society for generations of recipients.... "Entitlement"! Soon, in this century, the minority 'underclass' will become a majority! Even now, there are those who have tried to make "40 acres & a mule" reparations (with a stated goal of 1 billion USD for every descendant of slavery) into law! Wait another 20 or 40 years & see just how this movement pans out! Imagine the property grab if it does!



Just what country do you suggest those productive, law abiding, civil members of society move to then?!


...or is it then finally that time....to quote the OP...

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Old 05-12-2011, 21:40   #5
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Wow Long Gun, sounds awefully familiar to a thread I started about a week ago.

Too bad the survivalists are going to rip you apart for being logical and get the thread closed.

This is exactly what I was trying to convey previously. Eventually there will be a time when we who own property, are successful, work for a living, will have our rights trampled by a leader (dictator) who will say its for the benefit of all.

Heck, I have friends now who believe that anytime a rich person dies his money should be equally redistributed into welfare for the rest of the country.

"Think about how much better off the poor would be then!" he says.

One day its going to happen, but sadly its going to be too late to do anything about as our rights will be eroded slowly over time and we will be sitting in our houses with a bunch of squatters asking us for more wondering how we got there.

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Old 05-12-2011, 22:18   #6
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Not long ago, Rhodesia was a fairly nice place to live....for blacks & whites. Called "The Bread Basket of Africa", and was the land of plenty, but now it takes UN Food Shipments & other forms of charity for the populace to survive! The Rhodesian dollar was worth more than the USD several decades ago under Ian Smith....but after the destruction of the producing populace by Mugabe's socialist policies in the new "Zimbabwe", the conversion rate of the Zim Dollar to the USD was TRILLIONS to one US DIME! Inflation so bad that it was measured in numbers most people have never heard of.....maybe with the exception of the number GOOGLE....yep google is an amount! Mugabe had heaps of honorary degrees heaped upon him by a plethora of the so-called 'enlightened' western institutions of higher learning, but since finding out the monster he truly is, only one that I remember has shown any backbone & revoked the same!


Hey.....I know of some members reading this forum who can remember Detroit, Los Angeles, Memphis & many other towns and cities in the US being "nice places to live, work & raise a family"! When those areas became crime infested crapholes due to government intervention into local social policy & the construction of crime generating welfare hotels like Cabrini Green, they fled & created the suburbs. Then the government, in its infinite wisdom, tore down the crime-ridden urban cesspools & relocated the 'less fortunate' to the suburbs! Where exactly should the "producing citizens" move to now, especially as many are upside down in mortgages, due to .gov intervention in banking lending policy & social/societal intervention, as well as an out-of-control .gov spending policy taking more & more wealth from those producers who it rightfully belongs to.

That being said, this story parallels what many are facing here in the future...as the seemingly boundless wealth of America is now just a heavily mortgaged shell of what it once was! Once upon a time, property taxes were voted on by those who owned property & actually paid the taxes! Now anyone who can pull a polling booth lever can vote themselves deeper & deeper into your finances...as well as elect those who will assist in creating new laws & regulations to do so! And those voting 'have nots' are demanding a larger & larger share of a shrinking pie! What used to be charity... donated by churches to the truly unfortunate....now is forcibly taken by government from productive members of society then given to many of those who prey on society their entire lives (who then breed 10 more) & then have the nerve to call this sham now perpetrated on society for generations of recipients.... "Entitlement"! Soon, in this century, the minority 'underclass' will become a majority! Even now, there are those who have tried to make "40 acres & a mule" reparations (with a stated goal of 1 billion USD for every descendant of slavery) into law! Wait another 20 or 40 years & see just how this movement pans out! Imagine the property grab if it does!



Just what country do you suggest those productive, law abiding, civil members of society move to then?!


...or is it then finally that time....to quote the OP...
OK, you changed my mind. They should shoot it out with the local warlords and government forces.
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Old 05-13-2011, 01:15   #7
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The parallels to what has happened in Zimbabwe and what may (or is) happening here in the US can be seen. Taking someones farm or removing them from their home would never happen here right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...can_internment


This movie has everything to do with S&P IMO. It makes you ask the ultimate question when things go south:

'How bad does it have to get before I leave?'
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:20   #8
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It looks to be pretty good, but I can't understand about 90% of what they said in that trailer.
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OK, you changed my mind. They should shoot it out with the local warlords and government forces.
The Rhodesians didn't lose a single battle. They fought the wrong war.
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Old 05-13-2011, 07:42   #10
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I think this is WAYYYYYYYYYYY over simplified....but a few points:

#1 We can debate the definition of SHTF. I draw the line at civil war. That is not SHTF. It is way worse than SHTF. It is TEOTWAWKI - if you stay. Rhodesia etc is about Dictators and Warlords. A totally different situation.

#2 The allusion to "taking from the rich and giving to the poor" issue, while technically true - is weak beyond all belief. I'm not going to get into a debate about how much is too much...but let's just say that the average millionaire here is probably a lot better off than those entire populations EVEN if we doubled the taxes.

#3 Taking everything from everyone is NOT socialism. Also, as much as you might want to defend capitalism, in it's more pure forms, it leads to ruin just as well. Let's keep it balanced kids. It doesn't matter if a planned economy puts all the money in the politburo, a socialist state removes all the wealth to all but the beaurocrats, a capitalist society puts the wealth into the wheeler and dealers, or the king/despot/dictator takes it. It EVENTUALLY ends up in one place. When that happens....not good.

SUSTAINABILITY is the key. And we are not about SUSTAINABILITY. We are about I want mine, I want it now, and I don't want any consequences.

I think the real issue was stated - How much will you take before you leave? This guy in the clip stayed until people with guns/machetes were coming. At least that's the impression I get.

I just think the comparison of a bunch of African tribal / banana republic states is a stretch. No doubt there are some lessons to be learned. But I don't think these places were ever in such a state of grace as to aspire to be like them at their height - let alone now. I generalize though, and admit to not knowing much about them.

I know i haven't ever heard of anywhere in Africa that was a desirable role model state, or one that lasted long enough to care about though.
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Oh - also: The truly wealthy (meaning nobody farting around the intarwebs) pay our legislators to make sure they STAY wealthy. They pay republicans, they conservatives, they pay democrats, they pay liberals. And they ALL take the money.

One of the biggest concerns we should have, IMO, is the average wealth of a Legislator.

I would venture to say that they are, these days, likely in the top 5% of income. guess what that means - they are NOT like 95% of us (or likely any of us here).

That's not good....

If you think they will let the money be "redistributed" at a greater rate than they will help themselves accumulate it...better learn how that works.

The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. And you are either moving up that curve or sliding down.

I maintain that fewer and fewer are going to be able to stay on the slop...and one by one they fall into the flat area of poverty. Eventually there will be a few mega rich who run it all...and mostly poor.

Do you make more than $1M annually? If not you are at risk for sliding down the curve - not up.
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The Rhodesians didn't lose a single battle. They fought the wrong war.
Same thing could be said about the US in Vietnam. So what?

The Rhodesian War ended in 1979....
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Same thing could be said about the US in Vietnam. So what?

The Rhodesian War ended in 1979....
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When certain naive individuals start discussing the evils of slavery..

.. & want reparations for their predecessors being brought to America so many generations ago..

..you can always show them the graphic brutal truth of what happened & is happening to the modern day relatives of the former slaves who returned!

Be warned....the video series is not for the squeamish ....."This is Africa"

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-gui...ide-to-liberia

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Welcome to The Vice Guide to Liberia. VBS travels to West Africa to rummage through the messy remains of a country ravaged by 14 years of civil war. Despite the United Nation’s eventual intervention, most of Liberia’s young people continue to live in abject poverty, surrounded by filth, drug addiction, and teenage prostitution. The former child soldiers who were forced into war have been left to fend for themselves, the murderous warlords who once led them in cannibalistic rampages have taken up as so-called community leaders, and new militias are lying in wait for the opportunity to reclaim their country from a government they rightly mistrust. America’s one and only foray into African colonialism is keeping a very uneasy peace indeed. In Part 1, Vice’s own Shane Smith provides a brief history lesson and some essential context for understanding what caused Liberia’s civil war and how things got so bad. Liberia was originally planned and founded as a homeland for former slaves back in 1821. But fast forward a bunch of years and a military coup and you find the First Liberian Civil War in 1989: yet another third-world regime change in which the US-backed opposition, led by Charles Taylor, overthrows a government unfriendly to US interests. Once in power, Taylor’s corrupt, dysfunctional government quickly finds itself under attack by local warlords, leading to the Second Liberian Civil War ten years later. From there things go from bad to total ****.

See the rest at VBS.TV: The Vice Guide to Liberia - The Vice Guide to Travel | VBS.TV

Reparations... obviously should be paid by the descendants of slaves for the luxury & safety of remaining in America...

..not the other way around!
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When certain naive individuals start discussing the evils of slavery..

.. & want reparations for their predecessors being brought to America so many generations ago..

..you can always show them the graphic brutal truth of what happened & is happening to the modern day relatives of the former slaves who returned!

Be warned....the video series is not for the squeamish ....."This is Africa"

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-gui...ide-to-liberia




Reparations... obviously should be paid by the descendants of slaves for the luxury & safety of remaining in America...

..not the other way around!
I caught that series when it first came out. That place is FUBAR. Need to check up as the UN was close to pulling out.
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Thanks I put both (Mugabe & the White African & Vice Travel) on the top of my Netflix queue.

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Its Africa. Most of the continent operates like this and it doesn't matter if you are white or a member of another tribe... This is how things are over there...

I'd pack up and leave and look for a better place to live. Otherwise you and your family would end up hacked to mincemeat with machetes. Ain't no S&P here...because there's no obvious solution--its simply best to take your lumps and get out of Dodge.
Too true.

I have a co-worker from South-Africa. He has been here about 17 months if I recall correctly. My boss met him at a conference, some years back, was favorably impressed, and created an opportunity for him to come to the US and work for us. We created a position for him and helped him and his family come over. He is truly brilliant, a hard worker, a huge asset to our firm and likely will take over his department when the current department head retires.

And he is THRILLED to have gotten his family out of Africa.

It is sad. His country needs men like him, but then again so do we.
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I am wondering, what was going on in the trailer,.

The african gent that came, he starts screaming somehting like I WANT YOU OUT GET TEH F OUTTA MY HOSUE, but wait, is he 'stealing' the old white guys house? I am not understanding.
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I am wondering, what was going on in the trailer,.

The african gent that came, he starts screaming somehting like I WANT YOU OUT GET TEH F OUTTA MY HOSUE, but wait, is he 'stealing' the old white guys house? I am not understanding.


Yep.....exactly.....he is attempting to force the productive farmer off of his house & land....legally purchased after Mugabe came into power...simply because he is "white"!
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Look at Korean Store Owner in Los Angeles during the Rodney King Riots. Did they have ANYTHING to do with White on Black racism, Police Brutality, or the fate of inner city poor? It was simply a case of the lazy Have Nots attacking and taking from the hard working Haves.

It not about African dictators, or race. At some point the grasshoppers raid the ants of the world. People will not steal from Bill Gates, Rush Limbaugh, or George Soros. Millionaires have the money and power to shield themselves, and if not they will simply move to another country. What is left is the middle class. Hard working folks like this African Farmer, or a Korean store owner, who will lose everything if they leave, are left behind to get raided. We are the one that will be fighting off the unwashed masses looking for their share of the pie.

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