Let a guy shoot my 10mm

bmoore · 05-13-2011, 14:03

Went shooting at my local indoor (9 lanes) range yesterday, there were about 4 other people there than me. I had my P229 and 20SF with some 10.8grn of Bluedot loads-nothing crazy. The people were shooting 9's and 40's. My first mag people stopped and looked, this is pretty normal. I dont think people are puzzled by the big boom as much of the fact that its coming out of a glock. One guy finally came down and asked what I was shooting. I told him its a Glock chambered in 10mm. He said, "oh" and walked away looking back a few times. I walked down and asked him if he would like to shoot it, a big smile and "yes". This was worth going to the range for, he touched off the first round and smiled ear to ear. He was a nice guy and let me run a mag through his 92FS. He couldnt get his head around the fact that all of that power was in such a "normal" sized defensive semi auto. I have offered it to a couple curious people but this was the first taker. He may have got the bug.

nickE10mm · 05-13-2011, 14:32

:D well done ... convert as many as you can!

_The_Shadow · 05-13-2011, 15:34

It would be nice to get some manufactures interested in producing some 10mm guns...like S&W M&P10mm, Ruger in their P series, SIG SAUER® P220® Match Elite, Taurus MODEL 845 PISTOL IN STAINLESS STEEL, Marlin with a nice carbine like their 45 camp rifle. Having new guns chambered in 10mm would help spark new curiosity with new people also!

I've been turned off by the Witness line with the slide failures but I am tempted to get a Sarsilmaz Turkish K2 in 10mm from EAA to give it a test drive.

bmoore · 05-13-2011, 16:38

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Originally Posted by _The_Shadow

It would be nice to get some manufactures interested in producing some 10mm guns...like S&W M&P10mm, Ruger in their P series, SIG SAUER® P220® Match Elite, Taurus MODEL 845 PISTOL IN STAINLESS STEEL, Marlin with a nice carbine like their 45 camp rifle. Having new guns chambered in 10mm would help spark new curiosity with new people also!

I've been turned off by the Witness line with the slide failures but I am tempted to get a Sarsilmaz Turkish K2 in 10mm from EAA to give it a test drive.

Couldnt agree more. I would love to see a Sig 220 in 10mm, and a single stack Ruger like the P345 or even just the old P97, and Smith to bring back their line. If Ruger would chamber their SR1911 in 10mm I think they would have a winner. I heard those Witness's were horribly under-springed. I would give one a try if I could find one and put a 20 or 22lb recoil spring in it.

telecster · 05-13-2011, 16:48

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Originally Posted by _The_Shadow

It would be nice to get some manufactures interested in producing some 10mm guns...like S&W M&P10mm, Ruger in their P series, SIG SAUER® P220® Match Elite, Taurus MODEL 845 PISTOL IN STAINLESS STEEL, Marlin with a nice carbine like their 45 camp rifle. Having new guns chambered in 10mm would help spark new curiosity with new people also!

I've been turned off by the Witness line with the slide failures but I am tempted to get a Sarsilmaz Turkish K2 in 10mm from EAA to give it a test drive.

I would love a M&P in 10mm..

***Free Radical*** · 05-13-2011, 16:49

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Originally Posted by bmoore

Couldnt agree more. I would love to see a Sig 220 in 10mm, and a single stack Ruger like the P345 or even just the old P97, and Smith to bring back their line. If Ruger would chamber their SR1911 in 10mm I think they would have a winner. I heard those Witness's were horribly under-springed. I would give one a try if I could find one and put a 20 or 22lb recoil spring in it.

I don't know why they haven't figured it out about the recoil spring (and mag springs) yet. Fix those two items and the Witness is a pretty good pistol.

Sheepdog Scout · 05-13-2011, 17:01

Happens to me all the time when I shoot my 20. Always have people peeking over when the 20 goes boom, boom.

***Angry Fist*** · 05-13-2011, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Sheepdog Scout

Happens to me all the time when I shoot my 20. Always have people peeking over when the 20 goes boom, boom.

Yup Yup. One RO sent me to the far lane reserved for .44's

bmoore · 05-13-2011, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Angry Fist

Yup Yup. One RO sent me to the far lane reserved for .44's

Lol thats rad. I almost felt bad cause I could tell the two guys sharing the lane next to me were new. They kept looking over but declined to give it a whirl.

Kansas Slim · 05-13-2011, 17:49

I don't suppose you'd like to come to Kansas City and let this poor fellow try it? We've got a really nice indoor and outdoor range AND we have great BBQ!

Kegs · 05-13-2011, 17:50

I need to take my 866 foot lb. load to a busy indoor range sometime for fun. That might be worth actually paying someone to shoot at their range.

I'd line up on the far left and hit a guy in the head with my brass on the far right side of the range.

_The_Shadow · 05-13-2011, 18:03

Kegs they may need a bullet proof vest and riot helment to protect from that flying brass!

_The_Shadow · 05-13-2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Free Radical

I don't know why they haven't figured it out about the recoil spring (and mag springs) yet. Fix those two items and the Witness is a pretty good pistol.

Well the metalurgy and the new contured slides are problematic besides being undr sprung! Many of the repaired ones are being returned with the full profile original style slides. Also they have a new magazine swap out in place.

21Carrier · 05-13-2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by nickE10mm

:D well done ... convert as many as you can!

I think the first people we need to convert are the gun SALESMEN. They are surely jaded and would be hard to convert, but I believe they turn away many that might be interested in 10mm.

For example, about 2 years ago, when I was shopping for my first pistol, I was looking at the Glock 20/21. I was looking around, and asking around, and handling both guns (obviously almost identical). But EVERYWHERE I went, all the guys at the shop would almost laugh at me. They would always say stuff like, "It's too powerful . . . It's too expensive to shoot . . . Are you moving to Alaska? . . . You won't be able to handle the recoil/follow-up quickly". I didn't know much about pistols at the time, so I took their advice.

Basically, they all have these preconceived notions that are all crap. They think the 10mm is like an automatic .500S&W. It really pisses me off, because I WOULD HAVE bought the 20, but I got the 21, because some idiot who had probably never even fired a 10mm told me to. I swear I'm not bitter about it!

Anyway, I'm afraid that any shooters we might convert at a range will get to the gun store to check out a 10mm, just to get laughed at by some idiot at the gun store. Since I bought, and fell in love with (like I knew I would), my G29, I have found that many gun stores have this one guy that is like a closet 10mm freak. I'll ask about 10mm bullets, or brass, or something, and he will come running over, lean close and almost whisper, "I love 10mm". It's like he's afraid to say it around his coworkers.

THAT, I believe, is the thing we need to change. After all, these are the guys that many newbies trust and listen to when considering a new gun. Even if the manufacturers come around, I fear that these gun shop jokers will talk them out of buying them.

michael e · 05-13-2011, 18:56

Around here there is not a store that carrys a single 10mm. I have asked two diff places to order for me and they didnt want to. That was last time I visited those stores. If there where more 10mm options out there and people knew the recoil wasnt what everyone thinks they would be more popular.

ALBin517 · 05-13-2011, 18:57

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Originally Posted by 21Carrier

I think the first people we need to convert are the gun SALESMEN. They are surely jaded and would be hard to convert, but I believe they turn away many that might be interested in 10mm.
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Don't convert too many people until I get one. Ed's says another month.

_The_Shadow · 05-13-2011, 19:45

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Originally Posted by 21Carrier

I think the first people we need to convert are the gun SALESMEN. They are surely jaded and would be hard to convert, but I believe they turn away many that might be interested in 10mm.

For example, about 2 years ago, when I was shopping for my first pistol, I was looking at the Glock 20/21. I was looking around, and asking around, and handling both guns (obviously almost identical). But EVERYWHERE I went, all the guys at the shop would almost laugh at me. They would always say stuff like, "It's too powerful . . . It's too expensive to shoot . . . Are you moving to Alaska? . . . You won't be able to handle the recoil/follow-up quickly". I didn't know much about pistols at the time, so I took their advice.

Basically, they all have these preconceived notions that are all crap. They think the 10mm is like an automatic .500S&W. It really pisses me off, because I WOULD HAVE bought the 20, but I got the 21, because some idiot who had probably never even fired a 10mm told me to. I swear I'm not bitter about it!

Anyway, I'm afraid that any shooters we might convert at a range will get to the gun store to check out a 10mm, just to get laughed at by some idiot at the gun store. Since I bought, and fell in love with (like I knew I would), my G29, I have found that many gun stores have this one guy that is like a closet 10mm freak. I'll ask about 10mm bullets, or brass, or something, and he will come running over, lean close and almost whisper, "I love 10mm". It's like he's afraid to say it around his coworkers.

THAT, I believe, is the thing we need to change. After all, these are the guys that many newbies trust and listen to when considering a new gun. Even if the manufacturers come around, I fear that these gun shop jokers will talk them out of buying them.

Well stated there 21Carrier! They are to blame for a lot more also! Price gouging bastids! Making things harder for people to enjoy the 2nd Amendment freedoms! Like someone mention the other day when I said about the gun dealers being like car salesman...They said they are worst than car salesmen!

bmoore · 05-13-2011, 19:52

The way some shops mark up guns is very irritating to people who buy a good number of firearms. I just saw a RIA 1911 for like 539 the other day.

hannielonline · 05-13-2011, 20:19

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Originally Posted by 21Carrier

I think the first people we need to convert are the gun SALESMEN. They are surely jaded and would be hard to convert, but I believe they turn away many that might be interested in 10mm.

For example, about 2 years ago, when I was shopping for my first pistol, I was looking at the Glock 20/21. I was looking around, and asking around, and handling both guns (obviously almost identical). But EVERYWHERE I went, all the guys at the shop would almost laugh at me. They would always say stuff like, "It's too powerful . . . It's too expensive to shoot . . . Are you moving to Alaska? . . . You won't be able to handle the recoil/follow-up quickly". I didn't know much about pistols at the time, so I took their advice.

Basically, they all have these preconceived notions that are all crap. They think the 10mm is like an automatic .500S&W. It really pisses me off, because I WOULD HAVE bought the 20, but I got the 21, because some idiot who had probably never even fired a 10mm told me to. I swear I'm not bitter about it!

Anyway, I'm afraid that any shooters we might convert at a range will get to the gun store to check out a 10mm, just to get laughed at by some idiot at the gun store. Since I bought, and fell in love with (like I knew I would), my G29, I have found that many gun stores have this one guy that is like a closet 10mm freak. I'll ask about 10mm bullets, or brass, or something, and he will come running over, lean close and almost whisper, "I love 10mm". It's like he's afraid to say it around his coworkers.

THAT, I believe, is the thing we need to change. After all, these are the guys that many newbies trust and listen to when considering a new gun. Even if the manufacturers come around, I fear that these gun shop jokers will talk them out of buying them.

When I decided I wanted to purchase a G20 back in Feb. I went to a local shop and the guy when I ask him about the 10mm glock leaned on the counter super confident and looked me in the eye and said, I shoot a .40" I was like in my mind, are you serious. You are comparing balls and you carrying a .40 when I am talking 10mm. My wife and I use this joke all the time by stating, " I shoot a .40" Well, now I shoot a 10mm keep the .40 and be well, I'll stick with the 10. "I shoot a .40" LOL

21Carrier · 05-13-2011, 21:05

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Originally Posted by hannielonline

When I decided I wanted to purchase a G20 back in Feb. I went to a local shop and the guy when I ask him about the 10mm glock leaned on the counter super confident and looked me in the eye and said, I shoot a .40" I was like in my mind, are you serious. You are comparing balls and you carrying a .40 when I am talking 10mm. My wife and I use this joke all the time by stating, " I shoot a .40" Well, now I shoot a 10mm keep the .40 and be well, I'll stick with the 10. "I shoot a .40" LOL

That's hilarious. "I shoot a .40." Sometimes when I go into a gun store, I feel like saying before I even ask to look at a gun, "Look, I don't care what YOU like, or what YOU shoot. This is about ME, MY preference, and what fits MY needs. Keep your opinions toward the GUN, its features, and how it compares with others, not the caliber."

Taterhead · 05-14-2011, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Kegs

I need to take my 866 foot lb. load to a busy indoor range sometime for fun. That might be worth actually paying someone to shoot at their range.

I'd line up on the far left and hit a guy in the head with my brass on the far right side of the range.

You should try it once on a Saturday when it is very busy - just for kicks. I was in the same scenario that you describe. Left stall. Brass flying to the right stall.

I was at an indoor range a while back and was shooting some NOS 135s over 800X @ 1700 fps. A guy walking into the range passed behind my just as I lit one off. BAAAANG! He literally flinched so badly that he fell to the floor. I tried hard not to giggle.

Several guys were VERY interested in what "the hell I was shootin'."

It is weird how so many guys seem puzzled when you talk about the 10. It is if it is some unheard of caliber. There are a lot of misconceptions. Or the other response I get is from the 1911 45ACP guys who just find reasons to thumb their nose at it. Probably just started a flame war there. Got my popcorn ready.

nickE10mm · 05-14-2011, 05:45

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Originally Posted by 21Carrier

... I swear I'm not bitter about it!

Nahh, of course not

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I have found that many gun stores have this one guy that is like a closet 10mm freak. I'll ask about 10mm bullets, or brass, or something, and he will come running over, lean close and almost whisper, "I love 10mm". It's like he's afraid to say it around his coworkers.

haha!

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THAT, I believe, is the thing we need to change. After all, these are the guys that many newbies trust and listen to when considering a new gun. Even if the manufacturers come around, I fear that these gun shop jokers will talk them out of buying them.

SO TRUE! I wonder what Glock and Dan Wesson would say if they knew that most people were talked OUT of the sale of a 10mm by the very people hired to SELL them?!

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PATRICE · 05-14-2011, 06:15

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nickE10mm · 05-14-2011, 06:24

yep, what Patrice said...

plus, fortunately, i find them to be quite ugly. (don't flame, just my opinion!)

btj · 05-14-2011, 07:23

Yup, I almost always get a look or two with either of my 10mm's. Although at one of the ranges I go to, there are a couple of other folks there who are already converts, so the regulars are a little more used to hearing the louder boom.

As for gun shop employees reactions, I bought my G29 new and the guy at the counter never said a word or tried to dissuade me and talk me into a .40 or anything else. In the case of the CBOB, it was purchased from a member here and the guys at the FFL I used loved the weapon and the caliber, so there were big grins all around.

Now keep in mind that I have been around guns for awhile, but didn't get off my butt and get my permit until last year. At that time, I decided to do a bunch of research, first on what caliber I wanted to carry and then on which platform(s) I wanted to use for that purpose. Thanks to this place and one other forum, I made the decision to go with the 10mm and as anyone who knows me can tell you, I can usually back up my decisions with fairly well reasoned arguments. Had a few friends who questioned me, but between explaining the usual list of pluses that we here use in defending the caliber and then allowing them to run a magazine or 2 through either weapon, I have been at least semi-responsible for three new purchases and a fourth on the way. It's amazing to see the instant smile that seems to come across the face of everyone who gets to give the mighty 10mm a try. They may not rush right out and buy one, but I've never had anyone step away from the lane with anything less than giggling or smiling.