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Old 05-22-2011, 09:03   #26
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I'd go through a door with you anytime Mas,

I have met Mas personally, ( I took his LFI police instructors course back in 1988) He is an outstanding guy, while his LE career may have been part time he has what it takes, he is also one of the most down to earth guys I have ever met among well known personalities.

But Mas, greatest gift is his teaching ability, the man is a truly gifted teacher. I learned more in his class than I learned in most of the other firearms courses I have taken combined.
I've shot w/Mas at a Tennessee IDPA match. He'll drill your lights out if you give him just a tiny bit to shoot at. And that was with a wheelgun! Truly a good guy.
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Old 05-22-2011, 09:15   #27
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Not the most seasoned, but I can be a little peppery..

27 years Total (CRAP 29 this july I'm getting old)
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UC work assigned to a DEA task force...(crack) south florida
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Met Mas many years ago at a conference he was at the same Bar as Chuck Taylor, both were very nice .

My vote goes to Dragoon44
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Old 05-22-2011, 10:20   #28
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My vote goes to Dragoon44
Dragoon isn't seasoned, as much as he's been cured by his saltiness....


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Old 05-22-2011, 10:23   #29
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Dragoon isn't seasoned, as much as he's been cured by his saltiness....


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Old 05-22-2011, 11:33   #30
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Nomination appreciated, but must decline. My decades as a sworn officer have all been part time, though the full time work was in related fields.

4949, Dragoon, ChiefWPD and more are the ones in the running for most seasoned, IMHO.
I thank you Sir.
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Old 05-22-2011, 11:55   #31
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Thanks Mas! It's been a while since we've last seen each other (+25 years? Whose counting....). It was at the NYPD range at Rodman's Neck. You wrote an article on your visit, which I have a copy of.

Hope all is going well with you. I retired in Sept 2010 after 41 years (again, not that I'm counting the years!).

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Glad you made it through, Rich.

I still share your advice on ankle holsters with my students, and IIRC, put it in the Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry, too.

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Glad you made it through, Rich.

I still share your advice on ankle holsters with my students, and IIRC, put it in the Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry, too.

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Old 05-22-2011, 12:54   #33
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dont know about seasoned, but in the deep south summer i become quite ripe.
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Old 05-22-2011, 13:08   #34
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I'll hit 6 years next month. I'm still wet behind the ears compared to most here.

As far as the most seasoned, there's a ton of experience on this section of the board, between Dragoon, SAR, Sam Spade, Blue Iron, and a host of others, it's hard to just pick one.
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Old 05-22-2011, 13:47   #35
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WOW...I am not even an officer yet and I am really taken back by the number of years worth of experience on this forum. Every single cop here is a huge inspiration for me to keep following my dream. I am honored to call you all my mentors and friends. I hope that is okay with everybody. There are some great men and women in blue here. Thank you all for your service.
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I was thinking totally different. I was going to claim most seasoned due to the time I attempted to arrest an Indian cook and he hit me with salt, pepper, curry, garam masala, and cardamom.
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Mentors and friends. Exactly. Almost like one big, dysfunctional family, eh? Even a crusty CO like myself is capable of an occasional lucid thought. Six years in the joint here. Four as a CO, one uniformed in Admin, one as a Case Manager, still certified, and still capable of ruining someone's day if they demand to be treated like a prick. I still enjoy watching another sandwich artist having a fresh crap sandwich shoved down his throat. I call 'em sandwich artists because invariably, this type of problem inmate is highly skilled at making his own crap sandwich.

Every now and then, someone gets their panties in a wad when one of our seasoned veterans administers some 'corrective therapy'. Apparently they fail to remember that these good people have paid some serious dues to gain the experience which they share. They also sometimes fail to see just how valuable the butt chewing they just received could be if they take heed.

Cop Talk has helped me a lot through the years, and i'm grateful. I would like to think I have contributed from time to time in return. My thanks and respect to all of you.
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Old 05-22-2011, 14:04   #38
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This, To the OP, never make the mistake of equating years of service with seasoned or even competent. When I came on the job two of the officers with the most years of service (15 and 20 years respectively) were also the two most useless. They didn't have 15 and 20 years experience, they had one years experience repeated 15 and 20 times.

There are people that can learn how to be a good cop, there are people that seem literally born to do this job, they take to it like a fish to water and being a cop is not just a job or "what they do", it's what they are. Then there are those that if they stayed on the job for 50 years would still leave it without ever once being a good cop.

This board has a wealth of real "Seasoned" cops, many of them have many years of service while some have considerably less but still exhibit all the traits of a seasoned police officer.

In a medium like this those that have a gift for expressing themselves tend to stand out, but that does not mean they are more seasoned than many others. And those who are still on active duty have to be more restrained and watch what they say. While us old retired farts can say whatever we like.

That said there a those that I pay close attention to when they post, like seanmac45, series1811, SamSpade, SouthFla, Blueiron, CheifWPD, G27Chief, SAR, 4949, SwatBawana, are just a few.
Spot on Brother..Truer words have never been spoken....I've been doing this for just about 30 years now (20 on my prior agency and just about 10 with my current). Boy, does time fly when you're having a "Blast" and I still can't believe I've been doing it this long.... When I started back in 1982, as a "rookie" in the command, I got "STUCK" with one of the most useless cops I have ever met. We would be assigned the "crappiest" sector and would literally "sit" on the corner of "Walk and Don't Walk" for the entire tour, unless we were given an assignment. He would actually tell me "kid,don't answer the radio unless I tell you to". Needless to say that this made for very long tours...
I had this extreme on one end and the "6 month wonder" on the other. You know the guy / "know it all" who graduated the academy 6 months before you and was telling war stories as if he had 20 years on. The "fun" part was trying to stay away from both extremes, but that wasn't alway successful.
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I was thinking totally different. I was going to claim most seasoned due to the time I attempted to arrest an Indian cook and he hit me with salt, pepper, curry, garam masala, and cardamom.
So... how was the curry?
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So... how was the curry?
More important, was the Indian chef practicing concealed curry or open curry?

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More important, was the Indian chef practicing concealed curry or open curry?

Oh man. Oh man. I think I pulled a muscle.
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I was thinking totally different. I was going to claim most seasoned due to the time I attempted to arrest an Indian cook and he hit me with salt, pepper, curry, garam masala, and cardamom.
Years ago, my Sgt handed me a murder warrant. Guy was supposed to be staying on the west end of our town in a motel. Name was something "Patel".

I walk into the first motel in my beat. "Hey there, I'm looking for a Mr. Patel, is he here?"

Guy walks out from the back room, "I'm mr. Patel, can I help you?"

Bout pooped my pants. asked him to come talk to me for a second...I'm thinking, damn, this was too easy, he's not even a little hinky, I'lll just play it cool...Felony, on view arrest 5 minutes out of briefing, I'm a damn super cop.

I get his ID, ok, wrong first name and DOB. Thank him for his time.

Go to the motel next door....Same routine..."Mr. Patel anywhere around?".....

"Yes Sir, Officer, what can I do for you"

Somewhere around Mr. Patel #5 I figured it was an elaborate hose job or something...I had no idea how many Patels there were in the world. Kinda like if theres an armed robbery,and the vehicle description is a lavender Plymouth Mini van, fo the next 30 minutes, every EFING car you pass is a lavender Plymouth mini van.....

Finally one of them must have felt sorry for me and told me that Patel was "inkeeper" and there would be at least one or two Patels in every motel in the city...

Went and found a white boy cruising the hood that just scored crack and arrested him to make myself feel better...
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I started out in 1971 and retired in June of 2010, but I'm a choirboy compared to Dragoon and some of the other jaded ruffians around here.
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More important, was the Indian chef practicing concealed curry or open curry?

Alright, I'm putting on my detective's hat, since some people call me a dick. Reading between the lines, I suspect the curry was concealed as a backup. My gut feeling tells me his primary was couscous, but that he kept the pot empty for tactical reasons. Cursed lurkers, coming to Cop Talk and reading all our trade secrets! All the more reason for verified membership.

I rest my case.
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Old 05-22-2011, 15:30   #47
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There are many coppers here who have earned the nearly smooth badge that denotes the hard earned title of '"seasoned" and it isn't based solely on time in grade. Some of them have < 10 years on and they are hard chargers. Lots of grizzled old timers with the drive as well, and that is impossible to fake over time.

Thanks to all who nominated me, but many have done far more than I did. I'll just claim the old USMC term of "salty", since it can be turned into a double entendre and I always enjoyed make rookie female cops blush. After all, I am now just a contentious citizen who earned all of his Rights back and gets a nominal sum for staying away and not corrupting the politically correct youngsters with stories of saps, PR24s, .44 Special wheelguns, no portable radios, and a two week FTO period.

I sincerely thank you.




Thread drift warning ahead!

The old timers here got that way because of the old timers in their time - it is time for me to thank that person now.

I do have to throw out a sad farewell car to car message to Captain Michael T. Watters. He died on 08 March 2011 and was part of the 9th MEB that landed at Da Nang, RVN in 1965 and fought his was though the north end for over a year. He later when on to become a cop and worked his way up to Captain. He helped guide a growing agency through a lot of pains, showed a lot of rookie cops what policing really was, and gave two former Marines hell when we didn't far exceed what others did.

He looked a bit like the Marine Corps bulldog and always had a stogie jammed into his jaw. He always said that one never knew when a stinker [decomp] was around the corner and a good cop was always ready for anything. It was his little excuse to indulge his guilty pleasure.

Unfortunately, he never retired from the PD. He was fired by a new evangelical and highly religious chief of police for violating the one time Arizona law of "living in open and notorious cohabitation" with an executive secretary for the city. He went on to own his dream - a golf shop and later became an area manager for an armored transport service.

Skipper, thanks for the kicks in the rear when I deserved them, for the breaks when I needed them, for the high standards and the realization that policing is not much more than the application of practical psychology - either by word or by other means. Thanks for all you did and for being the Old Salt in command who had a quick laugh and a practical joke.

Goodbye Mike and walk your post in Heaven well. Thanks for helping me become a salty old citizen who once had the honor of serving with men like you.
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Blueiron.....What a touching tribute to your mentor and friend....
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I detest Indian food.... Especially curry.

It got worse after I took a call at a house, and the curry was so strong it literally burned my eyes. We couldn't breath inside the place. It was horrible. The place was also a complete mess. Trash everywhere. Dirty diapers laying around on the floor. A filthy 3 year old kid was running around the house naked, and at one point just pissed on the carpet right in front of everyone. It was like he didn't even know he should have been using a restroom. His patents didn't even blink at it. The smell stuck to me the rest of the shift. It was all so freaking bizarre....

I didn't like Indian food before that. Now I get physically ill at the smell of it.

*shudder*
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