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06-04-2011, 05:58
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More Information on AZ SWAT Shooting: Unsealed Document
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06-04-2011, 06:59
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So he might not be canonized after all? what a surprise.
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06-04-2011, 07:30
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Good PC.
I'm watching a discussion on a local board, tngunowners.com, and they're attacking the Police, as most gun nuts do. I know reading the warrant won't stop them, but it makes me feel better.
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06-04-2011, 07:40
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Post it down in PI all they will see is a free american availing himself of the government teat, and using his rights of free travel and association.
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06-04-2011, 07:41
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Where are all of our little oathkeepers, to tell us what a great guy he was? 
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06-04-2011, 08:09
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Originally Posted by swatbwana
Post it down in PI...
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I put it in the helmet cam thread. Not many replies and no significant uptick in views. I suspicion that minds are made up.
There's more to come.
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06-04-2011, 08:35
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That's a good warrant. Clearly lays out their PC.
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06-04-2011, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
I put it in the helmet cam thread. Not many replies and no significant uptick in views. I suspicion that minds are made up.
There's more to come.
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it's like I said in the thread there, they could care less about the facts. they don't like SWAT teams so the cops are wrong, PERIOD.
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06-04-2011, 09:12
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The whole family is dirty
God was with the SWAT team on that day...The safety on the AR was just too complex for dingbat drugboy.  This warrant needs to be distributed and broadcasted to the nation...
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06-04-2011, 09:29
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Originally Posted by michpatriot
God was with the SWAT team on that day...The safety on the AR was just too complex for dingbat drugboy. This warrant needs to be distributed and broadcasted to the nation... |
The flashbang they deployed may be the primary reason he never got the safety off and into action.
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06-04-2011, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
I put it in the helmet cam thread. Not many replies and no significant uptick in views. I suspicion that minds are made up.
There's more to come.
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I like how the usual suspect drug up something from 1992 to try to keep his case going.
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06-04-2011, 11:56
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Hard to believe that anyone could read that search warrant and still think he was an angel. To get that much detail required a long, very professional investigation.
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06-04-2011, 12:43
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Hard to believe that anyone could read that search warrant and still think he was an angel. To get that much detail required a long, very professional investigation.
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Why would ANYONE let something like oh,I don't know, the FACTS get in the way..... 
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06-04-2011, 12:47
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I like how the usual suspect drug up something from 1992 to try to keep his case going.
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It's the one he always drags up, I think the guy may have owned him money or something.
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06-04-2011, 12:48
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I would like to see what they redacted from the warrant. Granted I am sure that it was to protect CI's and or undercover officers.
Good warrant. Outlines the property and the reasons for the search.
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Last edited by Kahr_Glockman; 06-04-2011 at 12:49..
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06-04-2011, 13:07
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Just read the search warrant.
This is for you, Oath Sniffers-
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06-04-2011, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Kahr_Glockman
I would like to see what they redacted from the warrant. Granted I am sure that it was to protect CI's and or undercover officers.
Good warrant. Outlines the property and the reasons for the search.
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I found the counter-surveillance and subsequent inquiry on the surveillance vehicle's tag pretty interesting.
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06-04-2011, 13:18
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Originally Posted by DaBigBR
I found the counter-surveillance and subsequent inquiry on the surveillance vehicle's tag pretty interesting.
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No kidding, I bet someone goes to jail for that eventually.
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Trying to fight the police off is one thing. Trying to do it while naked takes real commitment.
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06-04-2011, 13:31
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Where are all of our little oathkeepers, to tell us what a great guy he was? |
He is guilty of what?
The only thing that can be proved that he is guilty of is............he is dead.
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06-04-2011, 14:12
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Originally Posted by NMG26
He is guilty of what?
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Very bad judgment.
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06-04-2011, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Dragoon44
Very bad judgment.
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I'll give you that.
Still the just waking up.........the confusion............the gun in hand......wrong place at the wrong time.................
We will never know his intent with the gun.
I have not seen any video of him actually pointing the gun?
Even if he was "pointing" the gun..........there was enough "going on" to not know what was going on. I'm slow. I doubt he was slower then me, but, maybe.
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06-04-2011, 15:30
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This probably does not apply but I wonder if he had not made the conscious decision to be involved in criminal activity, if this would have not happened?
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I never talked to anyone who had to fire their gun who said "I wished I had the smaller gun and fewer rounds with me" Just because you find a hundred people who agree with you on the internet does not mean you're right.
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06-04-2011, 15:34
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Those eight redacted lines (378-385) are proof positive the SWAT good 'ole boys conspired to kill him on the spot.
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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06-04-2011, 15:37
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This probably does not apply but I wonder if he had not made the conscious decision to be involved in criminal activity, if this would have not happened?
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Well his brother allegedly is into some sort of criminal activity.
Do we disown our own, when they are not in line with the societal norm?
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06-04-2011, 15:44
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Florist
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Disown? Two brothers working together to achieve the American dream. Mom and dad helping out. Their family values are solid.
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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