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Old 06-06-2011, 10:37   #1
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No love for the Colt Series 80?

I would like to get a GI looking 1911. The Colt 1991 has the look, and I would really prefer blued to parkerized. I would just use it as a house gun, take it to the range to shoot, and have no aspirations (delusions) about becoming a great marksman. To me, the firing pin block to make it drop safe seems like a plus, even though I realize it makes it hard to get a great trigger job, which I don't think I need.

Plus which, Hickok45 has one! But I sense a lack of affection for them here. What is a better alternative for a blued, GI looking 1911? Learn to live with parkerized?
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:45   #2
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I love mine. There's not much left that's Colt about it other than the slide and frame though.

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Old 06-06-2011, 10:47   #3
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The current Colt series 70 re-issue is closer to the GI 45 than the series 80 1991.
Get one of those.
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/Colt...tSeries70.aspx

Or buy the Colt 1991 and convert it to a series 70 by removing all the series 80
crap and installing a 4.00 dollar shim in place.
http://www.tjscustomgunworks.com/Photos4/1911Shim.htm

Or, buy a Springfield Armory GI 45 and have it blued.

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Old 06-06-2011, 12:00   #4
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I love Colts with or without the fireing pin safety. The only draw back that I see is putting those pieces back in after breaking the gun down. They can be a pain in the butt.


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Old 06-06-2011, 12:21   #5
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The only draw back that I see is putting those pieces back in after breaking the gun down. They can be a pain in the butt.

Tweezers help out a lot for me.

I don't have anything against a series 80 either.
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:23   #6
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Go to a gun store and dry fire some series 80 pistols and then dry fire one of the new series 70 guns.

If you come back here and say there is no difference in the trigger pull of the two types, I will reply by telling you my experience has been very different.

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Old 06-06-2011, 12:26   #7
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To to a gun stor and dry fire some series 80 pistols and then dry fire one of the new series 70 guns.

If you come back here and say there is no difference in the trigger pull of the two types, I will reply by telling you my experience has been very different.
I never thought they would be different; I'll see if I can do that. But is drop safe to be entirely sneezed at?
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:31   #8
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I never thought they would be different; I'll see if I can do that. But is drop safe to be entirely sneezed at?
The drop safety is a good gimmick if you want it. It does drastically effect the trigger, vs series 70.
I feel it is an unneeded combination of parts/pieces.

The thing to remember is to NOT drop a loaded weapon!
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Old 06-06-2011, 13:07   #9
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The drop safety is a good gimmick if you want it. It does drastically effect the trigger, vs series 70.
I feel it is an unneeded combination of parts/pieces.

The thing to remember is to NOT drop a loaded weapon!
A titanium firing pin (lighter than steel) in combination with a heavy return spring are viewed as reliable means for preventing inertial discharge in dropped weapon. A drop safety without additional parts, if you will.

Bare in mind the 1911 was seventy years old before Colt's employed lawyers as gun designers.
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Old 06-06-2011, 13:08   #10
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The drop safety is a good gimmick if you want it. It does drastically effect the trigger, vs series 70.
I feel it is an unneeded combination of parts/pieces.

The thing to remember is to NOT drop a loaded weapon!
Don't drop them you say? Really?

Do you have a work around on the firing pin safety on your Glocks?

Actually, I get the message. I need to fire them both at a store to really see what you guys are talking about. But there are a lot of references on the forum about how almost all modern handguns are drop safe. Products liability may drive a lot of that, but in theory it doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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Old 06-06-2011, 13:18   #11
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No sense of humor?

Anyrate,......"Do you have a work around on the firing pin safety on your Glocks?"

Yep,......carry a Springfield Armory EMP. I've sold off all my Glocks, not sure if I'll ever own another.
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almost all modern handguns are drop safe.
First rule. All guns are loaded. Always.
Second rule. Don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

From a user's perspective, all guns are in condition zero. Always

No gun is ever safe to drop, throw, flip, twirl, slam, kick, lick, or treat in a casual fashion.

If you don't get the notion that a series 80 safety protects Colt's and not you, or that only you have responsibility for the safety of the firearms in your possession, then, I'm sorry to say, you're not ready to own a series anything that uses gunpowder and lead to do its work.
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Old 06-06-2011, 13:40   #13
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Maybe I've smashed my fingers too often in my trade. But I don't really feel any differance. But then I bass fish alot and don't use worms or jigs if I can use something else as my feel is not as acute as some.
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....If you don't get the notion that a series 80 safety protects Colt's and not you, or that only you have responsibility for the safety of the firearms in your possession, then, I'm sorry to say, you're not ready to own a series anything that uses gunpowder and lead to do its work.
Dang dude,..........wasn't that a bit harsh?!
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Old 06-06-2011, 14:07   #15
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Series 80 is the best and most reliable FP safety available on a 1911...
Not that it's needed , but of policy requires it , it has proven to be the best.
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Old 06-06-2011, 14:44   #16
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First rule. All guns are loaded. Always.
Second rule. Don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy.

From a user's perspective, all guns are in condition zero. Always

No gun is ever safe to drop, throw, flip, twirl, slam, kick, lick, or treat in a casual fashion.

If you don't get the notion that a series 80 safety protects Colt's and not you, or that only you have responsibility for the safety of the firearms in your possession, then, I'm sorry to say, you're not ready to own a series anything that uses gunpowder and lead to do its work.
I actually am capable of understanding those notions, and have even seen those two rules before. Where do you get the idea I am going to twirl, slam etc. a firearm? And I am sure no one on this forum has ever accidently dropped a firearm, right? And if one ever did accidently drop a handgun, in fact the safety might protect others at the range, next door, etc.; not just Colt. And they might appreciate the feature although they would not know about it if the gun did not fire.

Now, if you are just saying, with proper gun handling, the odds are vey slight that the firing pin safety would ever be necessary, so it is not worth sacrificing a good trigger pull for, you could have just said that. Why not just address the issue and save your abuse for your loved ones?

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Old 06-06-2011, 15:25   #17
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Go to a gun store and dry fire some series 80 pistols and then dry fire one of the new series 70 guns.

I just go to my safe and dry fire both types, not much difference.
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Old 06-06-2011, 17:31   #19
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The main downside to a series 70 trigger comes when you have other guns with firing pin safeties. If you start really appreciating a series 70 trigger, the triggers on the other guns get worse and worse.
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