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Old 06-08-2011, 11:43   #1
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"Capacity isn't important"

"Unfortunately, the need for ongoing concern still exists as this type of gang activity continued over this past weekend once again in Chicago. Roving gangs have been appearing in trendy areas downtown, and were responsible for committing attacks against average everyday citizens just this past Sunday in the Gold Coast.*CBS 2 reports 15-20 young men between 16-20 years old and black, approached a man near Northwestern University, one of whom threw a baseball at his face, as the rest proceeded to beat him up."

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Rahm will take care of it, right?
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I don't think this is an argument for higher capacity guns. Drop one and the rest will scatter.
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I don't think this is an argument for higher capacity guns. Drop one and the rest will scatter.
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:56   #5
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I don't think this is an argument for higher capacity guns. Drop one and the rest will scatter.
This.

Statistics tell us that you're not going to need 14 rounds when you draw your handgun. And statistically speaking, as much as you might think you need to carry that RPG just in case, you're not going to be the exception to the statistics.
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Not sure fighting 15 people with a handgun is feasible.
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I don't think this is an argument for higher capacity guns. Drop one and the rest will scatter.
Good luck with that.
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I don't think this is an argument for higher capacity guns. Drop one and the rest will scatter.

I would not count on that. Why take the chance.
Sometimes one shot will incite a mob.
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I would not count on that. Why take the chance.
Sometimes one shot will incite a mob.
Be prepared...
And of course, none of the gangbangers will be armed....
And I shoot 1" patterns from 25 yds at the range so, I'd never miss in the adrenaline rush of a real confrontation....
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I would not count on that. Why take the chance.
Sometimes one shot will incite a mob.
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well said!
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Not sure fighting 15 people with a handgun is feasible.
I agree with the above. If there close enough to warrant deadly force then chances are one goes down and they don't scatter your gonna get overwhelmed. If there far enough away then chances are deadly force is going to be viewed as obsessive since you did not run but could have. That is assuming there unarmed. Its almost a catch 22 either decisions would end badly.
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I agree with the above. If there close enough to warrant deadly force then chances are one goes down and they don't scatter your gonna get overwhelmed. If there far enough away then chances are deadly force is going to be viewed as obsessive since you did not run but could have. That is assuming there unarmed. Its almost a catch 22 either decisions would end badly.
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"Unfortunately, the need for ongoing concern still exists as this type of gang activity continued over this past weekend once again in Chicago. Roving gangs have been appearing in trendy areas downtown, and were responsible for committing attacks against average everyday citizens just this past Sunday in the Gold Coast.*CBS 2 reports 15-20 young men between 16-20 years old and black, approached a man near Northwestern University, one of whom threw a baseball at his face, as the rest proceeded to beat him up."

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Unless you are armed with a full automatic weapon, or your name is Obi Wan Kanobi, there is no way you are fighting off 15-20 gang members with one handgun.
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I would not count on that. Why take the chance.
Sometimes one shot will incite a mob.
Be prepared...
Which handgun do you take on mobs with?
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If you don't use all 15 rounds, you can just leave the rest of them in the magazine. How many people ever complained about having too much ammo in a gunfight, or too many sheets of toilet paper on the roll?
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Unless you are armed with a full automatic weapon, or your name is Obi Wan Kanobi, there is no way you are fighting off 15-20 gang members with one handgun.
What about a handgun and my trusty TACTICAL PEN?!



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Why carry?

Was not trying to say people shouldn't carry. Just there are situations that even being armed with a high cap pistols your options are still dismal at best.
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Unless you are armed with a full automatic weapon, or your name is Obi Wan Kanobi, there is no way you are fighting off 15-20 gang members with one handgun.
I'm sure you're right, but the ones up front are coming with me...
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This.

Statistics tell us that you're not going to need 14 rounds when you draw your handgun. And statistically speaking, as much as you might think you need to carry that RPG just in case, you're not going to be the exception to the statistics.
Statistically speaking I you won't need your seatbelt today so why bother wearing it.

Statistically speaking you won't get a flat tire today so why bother having one in the car.

Statistically speaking when I left the house today I won't need a gun at all so why bother carrying one?

If I relied on statistics to determine my carry gun I would not have had one on me the three times I have uses one for self defense.

I don't carry a gun for an average day I carry one for.the worst day.
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You better be able to search and assess quickly. My tactics would be determined by my means of escape and who (family) I had with me. I would do whatever I had to do to prevent my family from being attacked.
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I would not count on that. Why take the chance.
Sometimes one shot will incite a mob.
Be prepared...
I agree as "Shoot and Scoot" comes to mind. The environment you are in at the time of the offense is a great factor. Always be aware of your surroundings and plan an escape path. IMHO
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Unless you are armed with a full automatic weapon, or your name is Obi Wan Kanobi, there is no way you are fighting off 15-20 gang members with one handgun.
Most gangs are made up of a large group of cowards.

Just watch them run when a cop car rolls up.

You drop the first couple and the rest will scatter. It's not like you are being attacked by a squad of marines.

Still I find a g17 and a spare mag comforting. And we all have to do what makes us comfortable.
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Which handgun do you take on mobs with?
Why, a 10mm of course!
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Statistically speaking I you won't need your seatbelt today so why bother wearing it.

Statistically speaking you won't get a flat tire today so why bother having one in the car.

Statistically speaking when I left the house today I won't need a gun at all so why bother carrying one?

If I relied on statistics to determine my carry gun I would not have had one on me the three times I have uses one for self defense.

I don't carry a gun for an average day I carry one for.the worst day.
You're wrong. Statistically speaking, its fairly likely that you'll be the victim of a violent crime at some point in your life. Statistically speaking, incredibly unlikely that you'll need 30 bullets to end said crime. Do you prepare for every eventuality in your life? Carry a defib kit with you? Adrenaline needle? Quikclot, needle and thread? Splints for broken bones? Antidotes for snake venom? inflatable raft in case of flash flooding?

There is a point, and its no obscure as gun nuts would like to make it seem, where being prepared for something likely to happen becomes outright paranoia.

P.S. I've needed my gun to defend myself before, and just the sight of it ended the crime. The crime ended before I could line up a shot. I didn't need a billion rounds, a fancy laser light, 4 spare magazines, a bayonet lug, or any of that craziness.

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Unless you are armed with a full automatic weapon, or your name is Obi Wan Kanobi, there is no way you are fighting off 15-20 gang members with one handgun.
Exactly. It is sad how poorly some folks understand gun use and tactics.
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