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Old 03-24-2013, 11:17   #1
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No Gun for You! – Serbu Tells NYPD to Find Another .50 Cal

We need more companies like this.


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Old 03-24-2013, 12:30   #2
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The first handgun company that makes a reasonably reliable product and makes a stand against Colorado, New York and soon to be Maryland, gets all my future business. In fact, I might sell what I have and buy their products exclusively.

I just don't see Glock, Sig, HK, Beretta or Smith and Wesson doing this, sadly. Glock, Beretta, Sig and HK may come from areas where firearms ownership is not a right in the first place.
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Old 03-24-2013, 13:48   #3
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The first handgun company that makes a reasonably reliable product and makes a stand against Colorado, New York and soon to be Maryland, gets all my future business. In fact, I might sell what I have and buy their products exclusively.

I just don't see Glock, Sig, HK, Beretta or Smith and Wesson doing this, sadly. Glock, Beretta, Sig and HK may come from areas where firearms ownership is not a right in the first place.
Yep. So far talk has been cheap. Glock hasn't said they aren't going to sell to LE in CO or NY. I haven't heard one member here say they would buy from Glock until they do.
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Old 03-24-2013, 14:44   #4
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No to kiss the butts of any LEO's here but I say, sell the men and women on the street but tell the departments in these gun grab states no dice. Give every person who is on the the opportunity to buy say one handgun and five mags a year at a discounted price from select FFL's that way no one tries to fly a department purchase under radar.
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Old 03-24-2013, 15:24   #5
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No police department needs a .50 BMG.

Any job that requires a .50, call in the military or rethink your tactics.
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Old 03-24-2013, 15:28   #6
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No police department needs a .50 BMG.

Any job that requires a .50, call in the military or rethink your tactics.
Martial law?


Are you the same guy who said I should just have a wheel gun an a 12 gauge?


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Old 03-24-2013, 15:33   #7
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Are you the same guy who said I should just have a wheel gun an a 12 gauge?


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No, I'm not that guy. But I can't fathom a single reason any civilian LEO agency would need a .50.
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Old 03-24-2013, 15:43   #8
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No, I'm not that guy. But I can't fathom a single reason any civilian LEO agency would need a .50.
I can think of a few. Armored bulldozer, airplane, helicopter, boat. You want me to continue?
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Old 03-24-2013, 15:44   #9
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Any job that requires a .50, call in the military or rethink your tactics.
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No, I'm not that guy. But I can't fathom a single reason any civilian LEO agency would need a .50.
We don't rely on the military for backup. We handle things ourselves, we use whatever means necessary to handle those issues.

If an average citizen can have one why can't a policeman?


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I can think of a few. Armored bulldozer, airplane, helicopter, boat. You want me to continue?

You're trying to tell me you want cops shooting at airplanes? And that it will have any effect at all?

Boats?

Are you serious?

ETA: IIRC, the one time in human history that a man took an armored bulldozer for a joyride, he had it so beefed up that even a .50 wasn't of use.

Same for that guy who stole a tank (in San Diego, right?); a .50 is no good against any American tank I've ever heard of.
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If an average citizen can have one why can't a policeman?

Second Amendment.
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Old 03-24-2013, 16:03   #13
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Yep. So far talk has been cheap. Glock hasn't said they aren't going to sell to LE in CO or NY. I haven't heard one member here say they would buy from Glock until they do.
Funny, CA, but do you realize that CO has somewhat banned standard cap mags to LEO?

Sure there was an exemption for transfer to LEO.

BUT.

The DEMS in their infinite wisdom did not give an exemption to transfer the mags to an FFL or business. So even though LEO can have them transferred to them, the gun stores can't have them transferred to them. So they cannot get any stock of them to sell. Ooooppppssss.. Big screw up...

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3)THE OFFENSE DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION(1) OF THIS SECTION SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF A LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE THAT IS MANUFACTURED FOR, IMPORTED,SOLD , OR TRANSFERRED TO; OR POSSESSED BY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
(a) A DEPARTMENT, AGENCY OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF COLORADO ,ANY OTHER STATE ,OR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT; OR
(b) A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER EMPLOYED BY ANY DEPARTMENT, AGENCY ,OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF COLORADO,ANY OTHER STATE, OR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF A CAMPUS OF AN INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION FOR USE WHILE THE OFFICER IS ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY
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Show me where an FFL can have the mags transferred TO the FFL??
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I agree bulldozers and tanks are probably one time events but what about a stolen tractor trailer refusing to stop and crashing into various vehicles and objects in its path?
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I have to assume that they are intended to defeat improvised armored vehicles or barricades.
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I agree bulldozers and tanks are probably one time events but what about a stolen tractor trailer refusing to stop and crashing into various vehicles and objects in its path?
That happened 3 times last week alone.....
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We don't rely on the military for backup. We handle things ourselves, we use whatever means necessary to handle those issues.

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I agree with this logic but contrarily I believe that no Police department should be able to have something that the general population cannot. Standard capacity mags, full auto, suppressors, SBRs etc should all be allowed to the general pop if police are allowed to have them. Otherwise you have a police state which is exactly what out our founding fathers warned us about.


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Our military is not allowed to wage war against Americans----thank God. We should be able to outfit our Law Enforcement agencies for the task at hand.
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What the hell is a Surbu? Exactly.
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No police department needs a .50 BMG.

Any job that requires a .50, call in the military or rethink your tactics.
Interesting. I'm not for the government telling me I can't have a .50, but I'm not going to say the government can't either. An agency in a large metropolitan area can have needs that, in some situations, mirror the military's. Occasionally someone steals an armored car, for instance. Having an option that could disable it quickly would be nice. Not to mention that in all but the most extreme situations, "calling in the military" to enforce domestic laws is blatantly unconstitutional.

I'm not for the government stripping my rights away and forcing me to rely on police agencies, but I'm also not for neutering police agencies.

That said, I approve of restricting sales to governments in anti-2A states. It sends a good message.
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You're trying to tell me you want cops shooting at airplanes? And that it will have any effect at all?

Boats?

Are you serious?

ETA: IIRC, the one time in human history that a man took an armored bulldozer for a joyride, he had it so beefed up that even a .50 wasn't of use.

Same for that guy who stole a tank (in San Diego, right?); a .50 is no good against any American tank I've ever heard of.

No I am not joking. The Coast Guard uses 50s to defend against speedboats and to interdict drug runners, well guess what NYC is bordered by? Water that is open to the ocean. Because of the high rise buildings NYC has a decent viewpoint and range to use the 50s against light aircraft and choppers that are hostile. NYPD also has the ability to put a 50 into a chopper if the need arises.

BTW a 50 caliber to the sprockets, the treads, or the turret ring will mess up a tanker's day. A 308 doesnt have the power to do much to those parts.
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What the hell is a Surbu? Exactly.
Serbu makes quite a few different firearms. They make a modified Remington 870 called the super shorty which has 2 shells in the tube and one in the chamber and can be mounted as a masterkey onto an M4. They make a couple of 50 caliber rifles and even some cali legal options for them.
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Second Amendment.
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Why do you think a polic agency should not have a .50?
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Well we switched topics here. For the original topic; good for Serbu. Let Cuomo know there are consequences to his asinine laws. For the 2nd topic; why would anyone (other than criminals) want to limit the firepower of the police?
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Well we switched topics here. For the original topic; good for Serbu. Let Cuomo know their are consequences to his asinine laws. For the 2nd topic; why would anyone (other than criminals) want to limit the firepower of the police?
the flip side to that is why would anyone other then a criminal want to restrict law abiding citizens firepower?
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