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Old 06-16-2011, 12:07   #41
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I'll take that as confirmation you have no idea.
I'll take that as confirmation you didn't watch the video, see the case, or even bother to read the posts.
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Old 06-16-2011, 13:17   #42
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I'll take that as confirmation you didn't watch the video, see the case, or even bother to read the posts.
Come on, you know better than that.

The video in your original post is hardly balanced and in no way is it inclusive of all facts related to the subjects. He'd rather the police be used to fix sidewalks and clean up, as in sweep, the streets, keeping them free of refuse/trash, like in the old days.

That was funny, me not know facts before commenting.
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Old 06-16-2011, 13:29   #43
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I am talking about the increase of raids over the decades. The percentage can still be the same, but the raw numbers will increase. Those raw numbers take the form of innocent people being harmed or killed.
crime has increased, so "raids" have increase.

guess what? the number of cars on the road have increased and so have the number of car wrecks.....

your logic in this statement makes no sence.
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Old 06-16-2011, 13:31   #44
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The police fall under executive. They enforce laws.
again, only after you have voted for the people whom enacted such laws. so the police are enforcing laws you wanted only after you, via proxy of your voting in the politicians whom made the laws.
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Says who?
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Old 06-16-2011, 16:59   #46
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again, only after you have voted for the people whom enacted such laws. so the police are enforcing laws you wanted only after you, via proxy of your voting in the politicians whom made the laws.

You are shifting the responsibility. The police are an equal branch of government.
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Old 06-16-2011, 17:05   #47
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He'd rather the police be used to fix sidewalks and clean up, as in sweep, the streets, keeping them free of refuse/trash, like in the old days.
Considering that the police have tried to make their jobs easier by casting the wide nets, they might as well sweep. At least it's something useful.
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Old 06-16-2011, 17:27   #48
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You are shifting the responsibility. The police are an equal branch of government.
This is so silly that I have to be reading it wrong. Watchyutalkinbout?
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This is so silly that I have to be reading it wrong. Watchyutalkinbout?
What are you talking about?
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"The police are an equal branch of government."

That's silly. You can't possibly mean that, so what do you mean?
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"The police are an equal branch of government."

That's silly. You can't possibly mean that, so what do you mean?
What is silly? Legislators make laws. Police enforce laws. Courts interpret laws.
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What is silly? Legislators make laws. Police enforce laws. Courts interpret laws.
Kinda like with exigency, you only give part of the story.

Which reminds me: you never answered. Are you standing by your claim that exigency has changed or are you dropping it? If you intend to stick with it, how about posting some proof?
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Kinda like with exigency, you only give part of the story.

Which reminds me: you never answered. Are you standing by your claim that exigency has changed or are you dropping it? If you intend to stick with it, how about posting some proof?
Seriously, are you asking, no, you can...nevermind.
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How about posting something of your own, or at least addressing what is already posted? I suppose thatís too much work for you, somewhat in the vein of how itís too much work for police to get that warrant, or determine the facts before shooting a manís dogs, or taking the easy way out by getting bailed out by an Indiana judge.

I guess all of us should be prepared to taking our beatings and let the taxpayers compensate us later.
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How about posting something of your own, or at least addressing what is already posted? I suppose thatís too much work for you, somewhat in the vein of how itís too much work for police to get that warrant, or determine the facts before shooting a manís dogs, or taking the easy way out by getting bailed out by an Indiana judge.

I guess all of us should be prepared to taking our beatings and let the taxpayers compensate us later.
Beg pardon, but the guy making the assertion bears the burden. Your assertion in your thread---so can you back your claims or are you navigating on feelings?
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Beg pardon, but the guy making the assertion bears the burden. Your assertion in your thread---so can you back your claims or are you navigating on feelings?
You are looking for logic where there is none to be found. The dead Marine wasn't a criminal because he was never convicted, but the police murdered him even though there hasn't been a charge, much less conviction.

People with an alternate view of reality have no ability to look at an issue impartially to form an opinion. They have a view of the world and form their version of events to fit that view. No amount of documentation or video will ever change their mind.
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Says who?
says you and any other victim who has reported a crime.....are you trying to dispute that car thefts have not gone up over the decades, homicides, sexual assaults, shoplifting, robbery,......
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Why would I bother posting anything else if people are not even reading what is already posted? Did anyone bother to read the King case?

An exigent circumstance is not an officer thinking he heard "something moving around." If someone bangs on my door, then of course I am going to move around. Who is not going to move around when someone bangs on the door?

The fact is that evidence was not being destroyed. The officer who claimed evidence was being destroyed got it wrong.

Yes, exigencies have changed. Police created the exigent circumstance in King. The actions resulting from that creation were traditionally unacceptable. It is now acceptable.
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says you
No, not me.

...and any other victim who has reported a crime
How does someone reporting a crime translate into statistics about crime's increase or decrease?

.....are you trying to dispute that car thefts have not gone up over the decades, homicides, sexual assaults, shoplifting, robbery,......
Prove it.
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Why would I bother posting anything else if people are not even reading what is already posted? Did anyone bother to read the King case?

An exigent circumstance is not an officer thinking he heard "something moving around." If someone bangs on my door, then of course I am going to move around. Who is not going to move around when someone bangs on the door?

The fact is that evidence was not being destroyed. The officer who claimed evidence was being destroyed got it wrong.
Did the officers find drugs or drug paraphernalia in the apartment they entered?
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Yes, exigencies have changed. Police created the exigent circumstance in King. The actions resulting from that creation were traditionally unacceptable. It is now acceptable.
Tell us how they created the exigent circumstance? And, yes, I have read the case.
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