Ex-BART leo freed from prison after 11 months for manslaugter conviction.

ICARRY2 · 06-13-2011, 08:39

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/13...est=latestnews

Hopefully, he can put this behind him and enjoy his wife and new child.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Po...of_Oscar_Grant

MeefZah · 06-13-2011, 08:59

I'm glad he's out. Poor guy. Sure as hell didn't deserve to be branded a criminal for doing his job... liability falls on the POS that was resisting LE and a failure to train on the part of his agency...

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"There's much rage in our community," he said. "It's a shame that our children still have fear from police officers that come into our communities."

siblueg · 06-13-2011, 09:16

Sucks for everyone who was involved.

Deployment Solu · 06-13-2011, 10:31

I'm glad he is out. I wish him the best.

Mayhem like Me · 06-13-2011, 11:19

I'm glad he's out as well, however, he was criminally negligent, he shot a man he meant to taze.
Some people do not belong in this line of work becasue they vaporlock under stress I am sorry that he had to find that out on the job.

Narc1911 · 06-13-2011, 11:49

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Originally Posted by swatbwana

I'm glad he's out as well, however, he was criminally negligent, he shot a man he meant to taze.
Some people do not belong in this line of work becasue they vaporlock under stress I am sorry that he had to find that out on the job.

I agree

ray9898 · 06-13-2011, 13:51

I really hate that he destroyed his life in the blink of an eye but his mistake killed someone. I understand how the mistake happened however I still expect more than that from a trained LE officer. Hopefully he can get on the right track and move on to do sort of good in the world.

Dukeboy01 · 06-13-2011, 19:26

I said it in the original thread and I'll say it again: His second mistake was resigning. If he'd made the agency move against him instead of quitting, he'd have had a lot stronger argument during trial that his actions were the result of a training failure. That was the most important lesson I learned and I suggest we all take it to heart. Never resign. Make them fire you and defend their decision. Accidently killing a guy in the line of duty is tragic. Going to prison for it is more so. Glad he's out.

CAcop · 06-13-2011, 22:11

I would be on the first Greyhound to Idaho if I were him. If he stays anywhere near the Bay Area his is a marked man.

AA#5 · 06-13-2011, 22:21

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

I'm glad he's out. Poor guy. Sure as hell didn't deserve to be branded a criminal for doing his job... liability falls on the POS that was resisting LE and a failure to train on the part of his agency...

You'd be singin' a very different tune if this idiot wasn't an LEO.

Or if the victim was your son.

***Newcop761*** · 06-13-2011, 22:53

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Originally Posted by AA#5

You'd be singin' a very different tune if this idiot wasn't an LEO.

Or if the victim was your son.

We'd all be singing a different tune if Oscar Grant et al had followed the lawful orders of the police officers that night.

Mister_Beefy · 06-14-2011, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Newcop761

We'd all be singing a different tune if Oscar Grant et al had followed the lawful orders of the police officers that night.

oh, shut up.

the man died because the cop was negligent. I suppose you think women who are raped should expect it because they have breasts and wear skirts.

yeah, poor helpless cop was a victim of circumstance.

We'd all be singing a different tune if the nitwit could tell the difference between at tazer and a firearm.

moreover, we'd all be singing a different tune if he had become a bus driver or accountant rather than a cop.

you know, we'd all be singing a different tune if the yellowstone caldera had erupted and killed us all the day before this happened.

you make me sick

ricklee4570 · 06-14-2011, 03:00

We all realize that he did not do it intentionally. But it was negligent. Along the same lines of a person who isnt paying attention while driving and runs over someone.

I know a man who was having gasoline stolen from his property (he had a trucking business). He was 67 years old. He called the police at least weekly to complain about the theft. One day he looks out the window and sees two guys pumping fuel out of one of the big tanks. He grabs his shotgun and shoots into the bushes to scare them away. His thinking was that it would teach them a lesson and they wont return. He knew they would be gone before the cops could get there.

Turns out that these two scumbags had brought their two teenage sons with them. They were hiding in the bushes. One of them dies.

He was sentenced to 8 years in prison for manslaughter. It was a death sentence for him. He died in prison two years later of a heart attack.

This cop got off lucky compared to a lot of others.

***Morris*** · 06-14-2011, 05:56

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you make me sick

Then I would make you vomit pea soup.

Go away little man. When you decide to FACTUALLY review the ENTIRE case, you will see culpability with both parties involved. Or in a math equation, 1+1=2/an unfortunate incident. Then come back and post in a rational manner rather than knee jerk reactionary dribble.

MeefZah · 06-14-2011, 06:08

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Originally Posted by AA#5

You'd be singin' a very different tune ... if the victim was your son.

I would raise my son to not be a piece of ****.

That incident was completely instigated by the deceased, therefore, he is ultimately responsible for his own demise. Sure, the officer pulled the trigger, but the officer was inserted in that situation by the actions of the deceased.

I've never had a cop prone me out and shoot me in the back. Know why?

ricklee4570 · 06-14-2011, 06:25

Here is one for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOI9ahGxMfk

If the suspect were to have died, should the cop do time?

FiremanMike · 06-14-2011, 06:25

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Originally Posted by swatbwana

I'm glad he's out as well, however, he was criminally negligent, he shot a man he meant to taze.
Some people do not belong in this line of work becasue they vaporlock under stress I am sorry that he had to find that out on the job.

I'm glad someone said it.

Mayhem like Me · 06-14-2011, 06:45

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Originally Posted by ricklee4570

Here is one for ya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOI9ahGxMfk

If the suspect were to have died, should the cop do time?

yes! she is another that should not be where she is.
The gun did not go bang by itself, she pulled the trigger.

Much like a guy texting mows down a pedestrian , it's criminal negligence and needs to be punished.

Every year we see more and more get into this line of work now because they need a JOB..This is not a job it's a calling it really is not for everyone no matter what the ADA says, certain people should not pin on the badge, and it has nothing to do with body type it has to do with whats behind the badge, character, integrity and compassion.

**RussP** · 06-14-2011, 07:15

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Originally Posted by Mister_Beefy

oh, shut up.

the man died because the cop was negligent. I suppose you think women who are raped should expect it because they have breasts and wear skirts.

yeah, poor helpless cop was a victim of circumstance.

We'd all be singing a different tune if the nitwit could tell the difference between at tazer and a firearm.

moreover, we'd all be singing a different tune if he had become a bus driver or accountant rather than a cop.

you know, we'd all be singing a different tune if the yellowstone caldera had erupted and killed us all the day before this happened.

you make me sick

If you want to continue this train of thought, start a new thread in the Civil Liberties Issues forum, don't do it here.

**RussP** · 06-14-2011, 07:18

Someone answer this.

What is the procedure for granting an early release from jail/prison? Who makes the final determination?

***Sam Spade*** · 06-14-2011, 07:42

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Originally Posted by RussP

Someone answer this.

What is the procedure for granting an early release from jail/prison? Who makes the final determination?

In CA, there's that whole SCOTUS ruling. Otherwise, decision is pretty much by DoC formula--this wasn't parole with a board. Our local "hacks" (Hi, Hack!) can give more detail.

And note that beefy at least cracked the code and figured out it was negligence and not murder.

dano1427 · 06-14-2011, 09:07

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

In CA, there's that whole SCOTUS ruling. Otherwise, decision is pretty much by DoC formula--this wasn't parole with a board. Our local "hacks" (Hi, Hack!) can give more detail.

And note that beefy at least cracked the code and figured out it was negligence and not murder.

He served half time, with credit for time served and good behavior. He's been paroled to a No. California County, his last place of residence. He'll be on unsupervised parole for one year.

CAcop · 06-14-2011, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

In CA, there's that whole SCOTUS ruling. Otherwise, decision is pretty much by DoC formula--this wasn't parole with a board. Our local "hacks" (Hi, Hack!) can give more detail.

And note that beefy at least cracked the code and figured out it was negligence and not murder.

They look at sentence length, offense convicted of, priors, disciplinary history in the can, and time served prior to conviction.

One of our murders took so long to go to trial that when the jury handed out the involuntary manslaughter one of the defendants since he was just the wheelman was released immediately.

Mister_Beefy · 06-14-2011, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Morris

Then I would make you vomit pea soup.

Go away little man. When you decide to FACTUALLY review the ENTIRE case, you will see culpability with both parties involved. Or in a math equation, 1+1=2/an unfortunate incident. Then come back and post in a rational manner rather than knee jerk reactionary dribble.

** I originally called you a name. Nothing mean or profane, but probably enough to incur punishment in these hallowed e-halls.

So let me rephrase. I think your point of view on this matter is extremely foolish.

Stay safe out there, and remember if anything bad does happen, you'd have been singing a different tune if ... never mind.

**Gear** · 06-14-2011, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Mister_Beefy

oh, shut up.

the man died because the cop was negligent. I suppose you think women who are raped should expect it because they have breasts and wear skirts.

yeah, poor helpless cop was a victim of circumstance.

We'd all be singing a different tune if the nitwit could tell the difference between at tazer and a firearm.

moreover, we'd all be singing a different tune if he had become a bus driver or accountant rather than a cop.

you know, we'd all be singing a different tune if the yellowstone caldera had erupted and killed us all the day before this happened.

you make me sick

How about you come in here AND LEAVE YOUR ATTITUDE AT THE DOOR! People like YOU make me sick. This is the LEO section not the come in and whine section. If you don't like what you see then feel free to get out. I surely won't miss you. There are much better ways to go about disagreeing with people and OBVIOUSLY this isn't it. I'm sorry that the John Q Public doesn't understand the brotherhood behind Law Enforcement. Or maybe your just jealous I'm not really sure. Take you BS some where else I'm tired of seeing it in COP talk.