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Old 06-21-2011, 19:41   #51
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When is the last time you left the country?

You show your passport to ticket agent, again when you pass through security again when you board the plane.
You show your passport when you enter your destination country, and again when you return home to your country of origin.

Once your in a secure area of the airport you are under goverment
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The reason to keep troops on the border is because the people coming over are not on a plane and they dont have a passport, there illegal !!

The Federal goverment requires the states to pay for there medical, there education, and there welfare, but the goverment doesn't reimburse the states for any of these cost !

Do you want to help pay for them ? or you just want us to send them to your state and you can pay for these services.
When is the last time. June 7.

Since there seems to be some issues with my "story" here is an example trip


Oh yes, you can see that somehow I was coming into the country on May 28th. I arrived in Europe on the 8th of June and left Europe on the 16th of June.

Here was my passport checks. At the beginning of the UA flight, UA looked at passport. Landed in CH and CH passport control checked passport and stamped it.

Left CH for London. CH passport control checked passport control and stamped. Passport was not checked getting onto plane or through security. Only passport control checked passport. Landed in London Heathrow. No passport check. Went through security in fast pass lane. The person checked ticket to allow access to fast pass. No passport was ever shown in London. Got on plane in London. Airline looked at passport and ticket at boarding. Landed in USA. Passport was checked by US and stamped.

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Old 06-21-2011, 19:43   #52
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So do you now support governments restricting the rights of people to leave the country? Would you support this if the US government restricted people from leaving? As a point of reference, when you leave the USA, no-one from the government checks. You go through no passport check to leave other than the airline ticket agent. Do you support having to get CBP approval to leave the USA?

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Neither. They let me board the plane.

And yes almost every time I have a discrepancy. My discrepancy is that I am a US citizen that buys tickets from Europe and back. The issue is the other countries and not the USA. The airlines look to ensure that to European countries there is a return ticket within 90 days as the visa waiver program only allows 90 day stay. So when there is no return ticket to USA that is one of the discrepancies. Police have NEVER been called. I have never been denied boarding. What happens? The airline ticket agent overides the computer and says everything is OK.

The only hassle I ever seem to get is sometimes the security people (and this is not in the USA) do not like me on the passenger manifest without playing 50 questions when I purchase a ticket 12 to 24 hours before a flight.

The airline manifests are done for every flight. Not just international. Its the secure flight program. You have to submit data 48 hours before flight.

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So we avoid any confusion, I was never talking about passport checks on foreign soil. We were talking about checking travel documents leaving the USA. From what you have posted it appears you are talking about flights originating in Europe, with round trip tickets.
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Old 06-21-2011, 19:49   #53
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Don't put that kind of stuff on the internet... Photos of your passport with those numbers on it can only be a bad thing...
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Old 06-21-2011, 19:53   #54
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Someone prolly has beat me to this, but yes we are. It is the longest standing cease fire in world history.
It's been explained above, and it's a technicality, but no, we never declared war on North Korea.
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Old 06-21-2011, 19:59   #55
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Being that our govt is just as crooked as the mexican govt, nothing will be done to secure our border with mexico. The demonrats want the mexicans as future demos and the repubs want cheapo labor.

Anybody with a brain can see that mexico is a parasite to the USA. Special interest groups, two corupt govts, and lack of courage will be our downfall.
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Old 06-21-2011, 20:04   #56
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Don't put that kind of stuff on the internet... Photos of your passport with those numbers on it can only be a bad thing...
There are no numbers that you can use to identify...but point taken.

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Old 06-21-2011, 20:10   #57
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So we avoid any confusion, I was never talking about passport checks on foreign soil. We were talking about checking travel documents leaving the USA. From what you have posted it appears you are talking about flights originating in Europe, with round trip tickets.
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I am talking about my passport being checked by govt when I leave the USA. As I said, and you can see from the entry stamps, the govt only checks when I enter.

I am a US citizen that resides in the USA. Yes, I buy my tickets originating from Europe to the USA and then back to Europe. However, when I am in the airports leaving from the USA the only person that ever sees my passport is the airline ticket attendant. I always have a discrepancy because I have no return ticket and the 90 days on the visa waiver. I have never had the airlines in the USA call any LEO, CBP, TSA, JBT etc due to a discrepancy (and buying tickets originating in Europe there is always a discrepancy). I only buy one set of tickets per year that originate in the USA (and that is an issue because it is over the 90 day visa waiver stay limit).

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Old 06-21-2011, 20:12   #58
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Someone prolly has beat me to this, but yes we are. It is the longest standing cease fire in world history.
No, congress never declared war on N. Korea. The UN intervened and we supplied the lion's share of the troops. The ceasefire is the UN's. I explained the importance of this above.

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Within all out lifetimes the US will have to invade Mexico with spec ops to assassinate these cartel dirtbags. In no time at all they will kill someone important and the American liberals (the ones who have been sheltering illegals here for 40 years) will start to care. How many of our people (citizens) are killed by illegal trash from Mexico every year? Never seen that statistic, but i bet it is quite high. If the US was not being destroyed by political correctness we would just start shooting them as they come. Maybe then they will choose to develop their third world cesspool instead of coming here.

I know a lot of you feel different about this, but i am tired of seeing their dumps for houses with 30 ppl living in a townhouse. I am tired of hearing about the $$ needed to teach them and their kids engligh, and i am tired of hearing about all the crime they bring. Tired of hearing about "how we are an immigration of immigrants, and they belong here". Mexico is whats left of the giant dump Spain took on South America, and a product of stupid people running their country for so long. Mexico and South America in general really have no excuse for not developing their own countries, as they are rich in natural resources and clearly rich in cheap labor. I could go a lot deeper into the academic reasons for my opinions if anyone likes, but i think this pretty much sums it up.
Can't argue with you there.
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Old 06-21-2011, 20:27   #59
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Obama claims the action in Libya is not even at the level of HOSTILITIES -

Hard to say N Korea is a war - if you compare the two.

I guess it depends on your perspective -

If you have a Nobel Peace Prize you can drop a few bombs and consider it to be no big deal
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None needed. We never declared war on them. Perhaps you're thinking of the United Nations.

ETA: Looks like others have already pointed out the truth. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't see any reason for the US to be committing troops to maintain the UN's ceasefire in Korea. It's a big UN, and I feel like we've done our share.
Not to belabor a point, but the USSC has ruled in the past that a Congressional authorization to fund and commit troops to combat is, constitutionally speaking, the equivalent of a declaration of war. By authorizing and funding a "police action" in Korea, Congress did, in fact, make what amounts to a declaration of war - at least in terms of invoking full Presidential and federal powers.
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I am talking about my passport being checked by govt when I leave the USA. As I said, and you can see from the entry stamps, the govt only checks when I enter.

I am a US citizen that resides in the USA. Yes, I buy my tickets originating from Europe to the USA and then back to Europe. However, when I am in the airports leaving from the USA the only person that ever sees my passport is the airline ticket attendant. I always have a discrepancy because I have no return ticket and the 90 days on the visa waiver. I have never had the airlines in the USA call any LEO, CBP, TSA, JBT etc due to a discrepancy (and buying tickets originating in Europe there is always a discrepancy). I only buy one set of tickets per year that originate in the USA (and that is an issue because it is over the 90 day visa waiver stay limit).

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One of us is talking about the space shuttle program, and the other is talking about nuclear powered submarines.

I have consistently been talking about what actions the USA takes to verify folks leaving it's borders have the required re-entry documents for return into the USA, or simply, when they leave, that their stay in the United States was valid (ie, visa not expired).

You are (now) talking about requirements that other sovereign states have to allow entry into their spaces.

This thread is about troops at the Korean border/Mexican border.
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So do you now support governments restricting the rights of people to leave the country? Would you support this if the US government restricted people from leaving? As a point of reference, when you leave the USA, no-one from the government checks. You go through no passport check to leave other than the airline ticket agent. Do you support having to get CBP approval to leave the USA?

-Dana

And I underscored that the gov does actually check - they bundled it into a requirement that the AIRLINES are legally bound to comply with.

Your travels to Europe, and the gyrations you have to go thru have no bearing on the actions that airlines, (and by silent proxy, .gov) take to verify folks' status when they leave the United States. I deal with it ALL THE TIME as a tour manager that represents groups from other countries.


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Because we're at war with N. Korea. We're not at war with Mexico. No rational person would suggest we go to war with Mexico. A rational person would suggest we work out our differences and become closer allies.
We should be at war with Mexico since they are invading our country.
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And I underscored that the gov does actually check - they bundled it into a requirement that the AIRLINES are legally bound to comply with.

Your travels to Europe, and the gyrations you have to go thru have no bearing on the actions that airlines, (and by silent proxy, .gov) take to verify folks' status when they leave the United States. I deal with it ALL THE TIME as a tour manager that represents groups from other countries.


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You are confusing things. The airlines check US citizens passports to ensure that the passengers have the proper authorization (or are on the visa waiver) for the country they are travelling to. If the airline dump tons of people who aren't allowed due to no passports, etc, the foriegn countries may not allow them to continue to operate. That said, the airline checking your passport does not mean you are allowed into the foriegn country, it only means that you have documenation that at a quick glance looks ok.

There is no check on US citizens if they leave the USA, only when they return. That is why I said what I did. The mexican govt is not checking when mexicans leave mexico. They don't really care so much. The USA doesn't really care if you leave the USA. They care if you return to the USA.

What you are talking about is foriegn nationals in the USA on either a visa or visa waiver. The US govt does want to know that they have left. The US govt isn't really concerned where they are going; they are simply concerned that they leave.

There are different rules for US citizens and foriegn citizens entering and leaving the USA.

So my question still stands, do you (generic term of you) think that the USA should check people and documentation to leave the country? If the US government doesn't have a responsibility to check its citizens leaving the country; why does mexico have a responsibility to check their citizens?

I understant why Americans want the mexican govt to do something. That is not my question. My question is the logical argument why we should expect mexico to do something that the USA does not do?

Logical arguments should be able to be made that are consistently logical.

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We should pull all our troops from Korea. **** South Korea
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I think we need to complete the border fence and man it appropriately. Obviously, it's not working now. What I don't know, is the legalities of using the states National Guard troops for that purpose.
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There are no numbers that you can use to identify...but point taken.

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We should pull all our troops from Korea. **** South Korea
And while we are at it, cut all funding to Israel!
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I think we need to complete the border fence and man it appropriately. Obviously, it's not working now. What I don't know, is the legalities of using the states National Guard troops for that purpose.
Our border with Mexico is the Rio Grande are we going to give it to Mexico when we build this fence?
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Nah, anyone that knows how to plan a defense knows you need clear ground in front of your preparations. OCOKA and all that.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:15   #71
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For those of you that DNRTFA, it's not Sheriff Joe.
Sowwweeeee.

That's what happen when you Arizonians have a self-aggrandizing sheriff who is an attention whore. People stop talking Arizona sheriffs seriously. Something about crying wolf.
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For all those who are cool with the current invasion by Mexico and don't believe it should be a military action. Please comment on this.

What if 20 million Americans emigrated illegally to Mexico; assumed fake identities to take advantage of mexican social programs; worked there and sent billions of dollars back to the USA -- bled the wealth of mexico to the USA.

How would Mexico take this? Would they say:
1) that's cool with us we will work it out as reasonable ally nations over the next 40 years or longer and not take military actions to protect the biorder.
or
2) what the hell do you think you are doing illegally coming into our nation in the millions; this is an invasion and we do not believe the government is "not" behind this.

What if 20 million americans illgally migrated into China? What would be China's reaction be?

What if 20 million americans illgally migrated into Russia? What would be Russia's reaction be?

What if 20 million americans illgally migrated into Canada? What would be Canada's reaction be?

What if 20 million americans illgally migrated into N. Korea? What would be N. Korea's reaction be?

What if 20 million americans illgally migrated into Pakistan? What would be N. Pakistan's reaction be?

View it from another country's point of view and it becomes clear, IMHO.

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And while we are at it, cut all funding to Israel!
Why would we do that? Israel is one of the few worthwhile countrys we support.
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Something about crying wolf.
Don't be ignorant. YOu know danged well that even if you ignore Sheriff J. Arpaio of Maricopa County, that P. Babeau of Pima County and the sheriff in the article from a county ACTUALLY ON THE BORDER have a legitimate complaint about the inability of Border Patrol to hold back the flood.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
When were told to stay out of mexico, Its not safe,Its been all over the news. Were have you been. DONE. Have a nice night.
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