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Old 07-02-2011, 07:10   #21
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A snub nose has about the same ballistics as a .380 unless you get into the hot loads, which will have too much recoil and muzzle flash. The only thing you can do for female shooters is have them try out a few guns. If she can't find a gun she likes that's cheap enough, I'm sure one of her family members would be willing to chip in some money. If not, take up a collection among some of your friends.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:15   #22
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Our local ranges have "lady's nights" which I would recommend. She can try out various different guns and get someone outside her circle of friends to teach her. She'll make up her own mind whether a gun is right for her and which one.

I'd go along with the revolver recommendation though from my experience with ladies.


Mentally is she ready to own a gun? When I went through my CWP class there was a lady who had obviously been through a traumatic event. We could tell by her questions and handling of her firearm. Even though she passed the requirements of the course her application was rejected by the instructor.

I wish your friend the best with her recovery.

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:17   #23
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Several questions.

How did he get into the house? Did he force his way-did she him walking up a path? I'm not asking if she knew she was about to be beat down and raped. Did this assault happen at night? Does she plan on getting a CCW permit? I know these sound like stupid questions but to me it makes sense to ask.

To me a pistol isn't the answer if she doesn't plan on getting a permit. Is this harrassment nonstop at work or only while she is at home.

Then there are questions around penetration, etc.

I say get a shotgun, 20 gauge with low recoil shells and some buckshot. You can pick up reliable, used 20 gauge Remingtons all day for $200 around me.

Do your part and field strip and clean it for her. Add a recoil paid and she is set.

300# or not. At in-home ranges even a partial miss will give him something to think about-a center mass hit and he will have bigger problems than deciding whether to rape or beat her.

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:19   #24
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if u have an extra one, teach her with it and then let her borrow it until she can afford the same one or something similar. but it seems the first thing that should be done is get a restraining order. of course that wont stop him from coming near her but does give her more legal "backing" if he shows up again and she needs to defend herself.

This. If I had a friend who had unspeakable things happen to her as you mentioned, I'd gladly throw a gun her way and spend a couple weekends training her.

PS - Assuming it's legal in your state of course. I know in Texas giving guns as "gifts or letting them "borrow" is. I'd assume Arizona is the same way, they seem to be more relaxed on firearms than Texas.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:23   #25
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Sorry for the double post , and not to turn this thread into a caliber war, but I don't understand why people are recommending her the J frame. I've been shooting for over a decade and absolutely hate shooting that, the gun rubs my hand raw after 20 rounds, not to mention 5 rounds of .38? I personally wouldn't go any lower than 9mm for personal protection. I know many will get on my case for this but take it or leave it. Last thing I'd want to hear is how she failed to stop him, and he turned the gun on her. Sort of what happened in TN a week or two back.

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Several questions.

How did he get into the house? Did he force his way-did she him walking up a path? I'm not asking if she knew she was about to be beat down and raped. Did this assault happen at night? Does she plan on getting a CCW permit? I know these sound like stupid questions but to me it makes sense to ask.

To me a pistol isn't the answer if she doesn't plan on getting a permit. Is this harrassment nonstop at work or only while she is at home.

Then there are questions around penetration, etc.

I say get a shotgun, 20 gauge with low recoil shells and some buckshot. You can pick up reliable, used 20 gauge Remingtons all day for $200 around me.

Do your part and field strip and clean it for her. Add a recoil paid and she is set.

300# or not. At in-home ranges even a partial miss will give him something to think about-a center mass hit and he will have bigger problems than deciding whether to rape or beat her.

The question isn't getting a tool...its the right tool for the job.
In AZ there is no CCW permit required to carry. She should be fine with a nice glock, since that will/SHOULD be on her more often.

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Old 07-02-2011, 07:23   #26
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if u have an extra one, teach her with it and then let her borrow it until she can afford the same one or something similar. .
I used to think this and let a family member borrow a Glock after his house got broken into. Guess what.....they broke into his house a second time and promptly stole my gun. It was the only thing of value that was stolen the second time. I'm still bothered that my handgun is out there potentially being used to commit crimes.

After that I don't let people borrow my guns.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:23   #27
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If it were my friend, she could have any d@%^ gun she showed she could handle. If I did not have one to hand to her we would pay for it together.

Check the pawn shops in your area. Maybe ask shooters you know if there is a good shop. Some pawn shops are horrible about guns, but others can have real deals. They usually negotiate.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:25   #28
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First question, will she be able to actually pull the trigger when the time comes? Unless she can develop the proper attitude that will let her pull the trigger a gun would be pretty much useless to her and may actually just be taken away from her and used against her.

Second question, if she's just learning do you really think a semi-auto would be the best choice for a 1st defensive handgun? I personally think a revolver would be a better choice because it has a simpler manual of arms and it's easier to tell if it's loaded or unloaded, just open the cylinder and you instantly know.

I know for those of us who've been around firearms for most of our life and who've hunted and can adopt a "killer instinct" in times of danger that the first thing we think of in a situation like this is a gun but I think that maybe you need to investigate other options first.
A high voltage stun gun may be a better option if she can keep it hidden until she can bring it into action. At which point she can zap the holy crap out of him then if she's in the mood while he's down she can do a little batting practice with a ball bat on the top of his head.

Either way I'd really think this over before you just shove a gun into her hand and expect her to shoot someone in a high stress situation.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:30   #29
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My fiance's friend from work has an abusive ex that's been stalking/harrassing her for months. Yesterday he came to her house, and beat her senseless, raped her, and threatened to kill her. The police arrested him and he is currently locked up, but no telling when/how quickly he will get out.

She's been asking us to take her to the range and teach her about guns and how to shoot - she knows absolutely nothing about firearms, but after speaking to her, she has made up her mind to carry and take this seriously. I'm taking her tomorrow first thing - but she needs to get a handgun. Her main problem is money - I told her the best bet would to be to pawn whatever she can, and get a new/used glock26 - I have a feeling she won't be able to get the money required to afford a glock.



My question is: What are a few affordable but RELIABLE pistols, that are smaller or around the size of a g26 - 9mm is preferred but 380 is as low as I think she should go. Her ex is 300+lb's, I'm concerned about a 380's ability to penetrate reliably.

Any suggestions?
Do you own any guns that fit this category? If so, let her try them out to see what she likes the best. Or, if the range rents, go that way.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:31   #30
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LE glocks run around 330 at my dealer, j frames are 369$
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:38   #31
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:40   #32
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CDNN is practically giving away Sig p250s. As far as semis go, that would be the best to learn with.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:45   #33
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She needs a steel frame 5 shot revolver using 158+p lead hollow points. Easy to find a Taurus, Rossi, Ruger, S&W revolver for $300 or so. Easy to train her on.
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Old 07-02-2011, 07:45   #34
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Rape counseling.
Visit from Locksmith - reinforced doors and windows or window bars, reinforced bedroom door with deadbolt.
Installation of alarm with panic button/remote
Self Defense Class
Professional Firearms Instruction

Low Cost Handguns for car, carry or home

Ruger SP101 .357 bobbed hammer, with Corbon DPX 110 gr .38 Special +p or Gold Dot 135 gr .38 Special +p, Nyclad .38 Special (all will have negligible recoil in steel revolver)

Similar steel frame Taurus Revolver with same loads.

Can find the above two used quite often and save a bunch.

Would stay away from the, Ruger LCR, and S&W Airweight and Airlite revolvers. Fine revolvers but the recoil is not for new shooters. Stick with steel frame revolvers.

Ruger LC9
Keltec PF9
Used G26
Ruger SR9C
Keltec P11
S&W 3913
SIG 225/P6
Stoeger Cougar

For home
Remington 870 Express Compact Jr 20 Gauge, buckshot
Police Trade G17
Sigma

Quick access lock box.
2nd cellphone always charging in the bedroom.

If money is a big problem, you can lend her some, she can pawn or sell something, or even though I detest consumer credit, she can likely get a store card at bass pros, Cabelas or Gander and just use it in the case of this emergency to purchase a firearm and accessories.

She needs to have layered protection. Make entry into the home difficult, backed up with an alarm and monitoring company, firearm is last resort. Make bedroom into reinforced safe room. Add a watch dog as additional alarm if suitable.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:00   #35
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If this was a friend of mine,I would go find her ex when he gets out and have a "talk" with him...
The woman isn't the OP's friend; she's a friend of the OP's fiance.

Regardless of their association or relationship the very last thing I'd recommend is becoming involved in a situation that's already resulted in the arrest of the perp. Let law enforcement/prosecution institutions deal with this alleged criminal. And do remember at this stage his criminality has not been adjudicated in a court of law.

What is the "friend" going to do when he initiates a confrontation with an alleged violent offender? What's the "friend" going to do if the perp escalates the confrontation that the "friend" initiated?

Your advice sound like a prescription for potentially very serious legal problems for the "friend" and it's not something I would ever recommend --- unless one is going out of his/her way to look for trouble.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:09   #36
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Rape counseling.
Visit from Locksmith - reinforced doors and windows or window bars, reinforced bedroom door with deadbolt.
Installation of alarm with panic button/remote
Self Defense Class
Professional Firearms Instruction

Low Cost Handguns for car, carry or home

Ruger SP101 .357 bobbed hammer, with Corbon DPX 110 gr .38 Special +p or Gold Dot 135 gr .38 Special +p, Nyclad .38 Special (all will have negligible recoil in steel revolver)

Similar steel frame Taurus Revolver with same loads.

Can find the above two used quite often and save a bunch.

Would stay away from the, Ruger LCR, and S&W Airweight and Airlite revolvers. Fine revolvers but the recoil is not for new shooters. Stick with steel frame revolvers.

Ruger LC9
Keltec PF9
Used G26
Ruger SR9C
Keltec P11
S&W 3913
SIG 225/P6
Stoeger Cougar

For home
Remington 870 Express Compact Jr 20 Gauge, buckshot
Police Trade G17
Sigma

Quick access lock box.
2nd cellphone always charging in the bedroom.

If money is a big problem, you can lend her some, she can pawn or sell something, or even though I detest consumer credit, she can likely get a store card at bass pros, Cabelas or Gander and just use it in the case of this emergency to purchase a firearm and accessories.

She needs to have layered protection. Make entry into the home difficult, backed up with an alarm and monitoring company, firearm is last resort. Make bedroom into reinforced safe room. Add a watch dog as additional alarm if suitable.
Ive got the SR9c id have her try the slide on that first my wife cant rack the slide on the SR9c..she could rack the slide on the Glock 23 easily enough but the SR9c has some pretty strong springs in it. Great gun just strong spring..
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:13   #37
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Also found a few in the $300 range

S&W 5906 $320
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...=700|1012|1026

CZ75 $329
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...=700|1012|1026

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Old 07-02-2011, 08:19   #38
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I agree that a revolver is a much simpler gun for a new shooter to use. Most women end up carrying in a purse so a little extra weight isn't a big deal. I think a stainless 38 is a great choice. The extra heft makes it much more manageable. Of course they will need to practice with it, but that's true of any gun.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:39   #39
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Ruger P95.
This poster beat me to it. My experience with them has been 100% reliability. This gun can be had for $300.00. I'd get it in the Safety/de cock version for her. You can rack the slide and then engage the safety which in turn safely drops the hammer on a live round. Remove the safety with a flick of the thumb and the gun is ready to fire but the first pull will be in double action (stiff pull like a revolver) which could be viewed as an extra measure of "safety", and then the rest of the cycle will be in single action. Basically, you're getting revolver type "safety" in a reasonably priced, dependable, good capacity gun chambered in an effective cartridge. 300lbs.? You might want to load 147gr.-
I've had three of these and they work. Best deal for quality versus price going in my lowly opinion.

I wish you and your friend the best of luck with this situation. MAYBE, they'll keep him in jail. That of course would be the best, most sensible outcome.
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For a gun newbie who is also shell-shocked, a small revolver loaded with 38+p is the way to go.

If she panics, no slide to pull back, no mag to drop, no safety to worry about, long trigger pull is a great safety.

Smith, Ruger or Taurus is the way I'd go, in that order.

Prayers for your friend.
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