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Old 07-03-2011, 13:17   #141
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Did not read all the posts so sorry if has been discussed. Get the restraining order. Buying a gun and throwing it in the drawer may get her killed. Most women hate violence and would hesitate shooting someone, giving him time to wrest the gun away and using it on her before or even after being shot himself. Be very careful. Mace, tazer, 911, close neighbors on speed dial. Consider other options as well. Preparation and exercise to the point of not thinking about it is the best way to avoid freezing in a high stress situation. He needs to be prosecuted. Any cop will tell you that the domestic calls are the most dangerous by far. Hope all works out OK.
Thanks you for a common sense answer to this problem. This is what I've been saying all through this thread but many seem to ignore this logic. It's just not as cut and dry as getting a gun, letting her put a few rounds through it and then leaving her to fend for herself in the face of mortal danger.
There are better options rather then just throwing hot lead at the situation which may or may not get her into even more problems then she already has.

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I would recommend picking up a copy of Massad Ayoob's "In The Gravest Extreme" and having her read through it so she'll understand the implications of using Deadly Force. I had this book in the past and read it and it was a real eye opener.
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Old 07-03-2011, 14:42   #142
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If a quality auto is purchased, there's virtually no need to learn any drills.



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No offense, but it would seem one or three (other) instructors would disagree with this.
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Old 07-03-2011, 14:52   #143
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If the woman is in immediate danger, how about a restraining order for a near term remedy???

If it was my daughter, I'd recommend a Ruger LCR .38 Special, or, if she has the strength to handle an auto, maybe a Kahr CW9 or CM9.
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Old 07-03-2011, 15:11   #144
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If the woman is in immediate danger, how about a restraining order for a near term remedy???

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While I agree a restraining order is an absolute necessity in this case, I also think restraining orders are a little bit like gun control. Gun Control presumes that the 25 years to life a guy faces for armed robbery is not gonna deter him but that big one year for a firearms violation will be the fear that tips the scales. Last time I looked in some places rape is actually a capital crime or a life felony, but in this case the fear of 180 days for violating a restraining order will put the fear of God in him?
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Old 07-03-2011, 15:24   #145
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While I agree a restraining order is an absolute necessity in this case, I also think restraining orders are a little bit like gun control. Gun Control presumes that the 25 years to life a guy faces for armed robbery is not gonna deter him but that big one year for a firearms violation will be the fear that tips the scales. Last time I looked in some places rape is actually a capital crime or a life felony, but in this case the fear of 180 days for violating a restraining order will put the fear of God in him?
They do clear up the whole probable cause issue though. Many times the guy does just crawl through a window and hurt her. Many times he calls her at work and screws with her etc. If he even has his sister send her a birthday card, he gets popped for contempt. They are court orders and judges take it personally when people violate their orders.
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Old 07-03-2011, 15:36   #146
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First off, you need to take into consideration that if this SOB comes at her it's going to happen at close range and she most likely wouldnt have the time to empty a magazine into him nor reload, now would she?? So bearing this in mind, why insist on an auto???? Secondly, do you really want to add malfunction clearance drills to the equation, when time is a BIG factor right now? Lots of things could happen here, but if you imagine her firing a volume of rounds at basically contact distance and then reloading at speed....think again. My advice leans STRONGLY in favor of a 357mag with a barrel of 4 inches or less. You can train her with light 38 loads and load it for defense with Federal 125gr SJHP magnums. All you need to tell her is that it's loaded with the best manstoppers that you can squeeze into a handgun. If something does in fact happen, her adrenalin levels will be so high she wont notice the added recoil or muzzle blast(it happens). As far as a restraining order.....if all of her screaming and resisting him didnt prevent a violent beating and rape, does anyone actually think a piece of paper will??? If this woman was a good friend or relative, I'd relieve her of the burden of having to sit and wait for him to do it again. As soon as this guy got out of county and was ALONE, the problem would be solved.
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Old 07-03-2011, 15:36   #147
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I vote .38 Special, small or medium frame gun, any make with a 2"-4" barrel. The 158gr SWHP is as potent a self defense round as you are going to find IMO. It is a extremely real world proven round that is a great balance of performance and shoot ability.
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Old 07-03-2011, 15:42   #148
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I see no reason why she can't learn on a semi-auto. I did and I'm sure many of the posters here did. I don't like the idea of a revolver for her strictly because of the capacity limit. I don't know her demeanor and I don't know her learning ability to accurately shoot a firearm. God forbid if she has to use it, if she hasn't had a enough range time, she may just point and shoot. I think capacity is very important in this case.

If I was going to arm a female in her circumstance is would be a compact/sub compact 9mm. My first vote would be a Ruger SR9c. 18 rounds of 9mm in a small package. Buds has them for $398 http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id=62288

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Old 07-03-2011, 15:49   #149
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I have the Kel Tec pf9. Its a single stack 9mm.Nice and lite, and about $100 less than the lc9. It has been a great gun, not a single failure and I have about 400 rounds through it.
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Old 07-03-2011, 16:05   #150
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Tell her that when (NOT if) he shows up again, it will not be for casual conversation.

Tell her to shoot him!

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Good Lord, don't listen to this advice. Sounds like a great way to provoke an unjustified shooting and land the girl in jail.
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Old 07-03-2011, 16:20   #151
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While I agree a restraining order is an absolute necessity in this case, I also think restraining orders are a little bit like gun control. Gun Control presumes that the 25 years to life a guy faces for armed robbery is not gonna deter him but that big one year for a firearms violation will be the fear that tips the scales. Last time I looked in some places rape is actually a capital crime or a life felony, but in this case the fear of 180 days for violating a restraining order will put the fear of God in him?
If worse came to worse, and she did end up having to defend herself by shooting this guy, a restraining might show she'd done what she could to avoid a violent outcome.
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Old 07-03-2011, 16:41   #152
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Get a Armscor 38 and some Federal hollowpoints.
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Old 07-03-2011, 16:45   #153
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If worse came to worse, and she did end up having to defend herself by shooting this guy, a restraining might show she'd done what she could to avoid a violent outcome.
I agree completely that a restraining order in this case (and in most DV cases) is critical procedurally. A restraining order makes an arrest decision far easier and goes a long way to getting someone into jail. I just don't want someone to think it offers much real protection. If I had a dollar for every time multiple officers at different calls told the same "victim" to get a restraining order and she didn't, and a dollar for every time a guy violated a restraining order, I would be posting this while holding a drink with an umbrella in it from a medium sized island in the South Pacific named Bruce.
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Old 07-03-2011, 19:05   #154
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Set up a fundraiser so she can get a quality gun <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
G26 is the better choice <o:p></o:p>
The <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:stockticker>LCP</st1:stockticker> is also a good quality gun my wife carries one everyday and I do too next to my G26 <o:p></o:p>
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Avoid snubnose .38s!

Way too much recoil and not very accurate.


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Way too much recoil and not very accurate.


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I think not. My wife has a Lady Smith model 36 and Glock 26. I just asked her if she thought it kicked too much and she laughed. I asked which one she liked better, she said the 36. I asked her which one she thought was easiest to operate. She said the 36, that's why she carries it while the Glock sits in the safe. So it boils down to the indivdual shooter.

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Old 07-03-2011, 22:01   #157
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I agree completely that a restraining order in this case (and in most DV cases) is critical procedurally. A restraining order makes an arrest decision far easier and goes a long way to getting someone into jail. I just don't want someone to think it offers much real protection. If I had a dollar for every time multiple officers at different calls told the same "victim" to get a restraining order and she didn't, and a dollar for every time a guy violated a restraining order, I would be posting this while holding a drink with an umbrella in it from a medium sized island in the South Pacific named Bruce.
Yeah, retraining orders obviously aren't some kind of magical force field. BUT, I've locked guys up for the slightest violation because I didn't have a choice. Victim shows up at HQ with a copy of the order and says her ex called her office. She gives a statement, warrant is issued, and dude is locked up for weeks while the judge let's him get his mind right. Not about harrassing the victim, the judge doesn't care, but ****bird has to get his mind right about not violating a judicial order or he goes in the box.

Usually the victim has had the dummy moved back in with her and not vacated the order. Then when she gets mad at him (he didn't give her any money) she calls up and violates him. Then you're hooking up some guy and he's like "man, you know how they is, she jus mad thas all".
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Old 07-03-2011, 22:08   #158
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Don't get a semi-automatic for someone who doesn't know anything about guns. Get a revolver.
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Ask her to show you a copy of her final restraining order. If she doesn't have one of those, she hasn't been serious about keeping him away from her.
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that would be a Ruger SP101 - not cheap but perfect weapon for someone unfamiliar with firearms - full range of ammo from .38 to .357 and in between too
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