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Old 03-09-2015, 13:35   #1
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Lawful open carrier called out at high school choir show

Lawful open carrier called out at high school choir show
3/09/15 | by Chris Eger

A concealed carry permit holder attending his sister’s school performance last week was the subject of both public ridicule and police attention because he was armed.

The legally armed attendee, 22-year-old Joshua Wade, was approached by the choir director before the show started, later escorted to the lobby by police who were called by the director and was then publicly photographed and outed by another concert attendee eager to inform the audience of Wade’s status.

“I told everyone I thought they should be aware that while they were at the concert watching their kids that there was someone with a firearm and ammunition and maybe we want to think about that,” Brian DiBlassio told Michigan Live of the incident.

Meanwhile, in an interview with the Daily Caller, Wade voiced concerns over threats made online after coverage of the event that included is physical address and phone number. He contends that DiBlassio, a music professor at the University of Michigan, escalated the incident and posted pictures of Wade on social media.

When contacted by the Caller, DiBlassio said that at the time of the confrontation he was ignorant of the state’s open and concealed carry laws but that, “I would not have responded any differently, and I will not respond any differently in the future.”

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Old 03-09-2015, 14:13   #2
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What state is this?

What are the laws regarding open vs concealed carry there?

Is there a provision or a prohibition regarding locations like schools in the law there?

ETA: it looks like this was Michigan; if so, then it appears as though he was legal .....
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Old 03-09-2015, 14:26   #3
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What state is this?

What are the laws regarding open vs concealed carry there?

Is there a provision or a prohibition regarding locations like schools in the law there?
This was in Michigan. In Michigan the only way for CPL holders (other than special people who're exempt) to carry in "pistol free zones" as defined by MCL 28.425o. is to open carry. Those PFZs only apply to people with a CPL who are carrying concealed pistols. Schools are pistol free zones. So the only way for a CPL holder to legally carry in a school in Michigan is to open carry. If you do not have a CPL there is a different Michigan law which prohibits it on school grounds, but exempts people who have CPLs. So basically this guy was carrying in the only legal way possible.

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(1) Subject to subsection (5), an individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(h), shall not carry a concealed pistol on the premises of any of the following:

(a) A school or school property except that a parent or legal guardian of a student of the school is not precluded from carrying a concealed pistol while in a vehicle on school property, if he or she is dropping the student off at the school or picking up the student from the school. As used in this section, "school" and "school property" mean those terms as defined in section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a.

(4) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

(5) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to any of the following:

(a) An individual licensed under this act who is a retired police officer or retired law enforcement officer. The concealed weapon licensing board may require a letter from the law enforcement agency stating that the retired police officer or law enforcement officer retired in good standing.

(b) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is employed or contracted by an entity described under subsection (1) to provide security services and is required by his or her employer or the terms of a contract to carry a concealed firearm on the premises of the employing or contracting entity.

(c) An individual who is licensed as a private investigator or private detective under the professional investigator licensure act, 1965 PA 285, MCL 338.821 to 338.851.

(d) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a corrections officer of a county sheriff's department.

(e) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a motor carrier officer or capitol security officer of the department of state police.

(f) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a member of a sheriff's posse.

(g) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is an auxiliary officer or reserve officer of a police or sheriff's department.

(h) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a parole or probation officer of the department of corrections.

(i) A state court judge or state court retired judge who is licensed under this act. The concealed weapon licensing board may require a state court retired judge to obtain and carry a letter from the judicial tenure commission stating that the state court retired judge is in good standing as authorized under section 30 of article VI of the state constitution of 1963, and rules promulgated under that section, in order to qualify under this subdivision.

(j) An individual who is licensed under this act and who is a court officer.
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Old 03-09-2015, 14:28   #4
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Yeah, that's what I took from it; see my edit.
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Old 03-09-2015, 14:29   #5
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Basically stupid people are stupid, and the idiot who complained is stupid, and it's even worse since he basically admitted he was wrong, and the dude wasn't in violation of the law, but that doesn't matter because he'll keep doing like he did.

It's legal, quit getting your panties in a wad DiBlassio.
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Old 03-09-2015, 23:40   #6
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I don't understand why the choir director hasn't been fired.
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Old 03-09-2015, 23:56   #7
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I don't understand why the choir director hasn't been fired.
For what? I wouldn't be surprised if the administrators and school board agree with him.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:09   #8
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For what? I wouldn't be surprised if the administrators and school board agree with him.
...and a raise.

I think Mr Wade should see an Attorney and stop talking to anyone about this until he does.

Taking the school and Mr DiBlassio (personally) to court sounds like a solid plan to me.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:24   #9
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I'm in MI. That is correct, he was within the bounds of our laws here. It is legal for a CPL holder to carry in pistol free zones if they open carry. Open carry is legal in our state but NOT legal in pistol free zones if you do not have a CPL.
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Old 03-10-2015, 15:15   #10
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the guy was harassed for NOT breaking the law because the idiot knew and called the police anyway. So I think someone should call the cops on him for not breaking the law and see how he likes being detained, harassed, and threatened with possible arrest for not breaking the law...
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Old 03-10-2015, 20:57   #11
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I am wondering how many other guys elect to carry openly at a school there.
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Too bad he doesn't pursue a legal recourse over public harassment by this person while exercising his legal rights..
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Old 03-10-2015, 21:35   #13
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I am wondering how many other guys elect to carry openly at a school there.
Many do without issue. Especially on election days where polls are in schools. There is one guy who is a councilor at an elementary school in a liberal area of Michigan. He open carries there everyday, but says if he's meeting with students in his office he locks it up.
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Old 03-11-2015, 00:54   #14
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Many do without issue. Especially on election days where polls are in schools. There is one guy who is a councilor at an elementary school in a liberal area of Michigan. He open carries there everyday, but says if he's meeting with students in his office he locks it up.
I personally do not. I vote at a school, and lock it in my car, when I go in to vote. It is not worth the hassle imo. Granted it would be perfectly legal for me to do so, I just choose not to. You never know how someone will react, and most of the people are so blind of the laws, I'd probably get the school put in lockdown... I choose not to be a news story...
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If an active shooter happened upon this assembly and the open carrier dispatched him in quick fashion, he would be hailed as a hero. Same if something like this happened a day or several days before the assembly.

Seeking a defamation of character suit might teach the choir director the lesson he needs to keep his thoughts to himself... especially when they are directed at someone who is innocent of any wrongdoing.
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Too bad he doesn't pursue a legal recourse over public harassment by this person while exercising his legal rights..
How much do you think it would cost to retain an attorney?
What are the guys actual damages, if any? I doubt there would be any punitive damages.
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How much do you think it would cost to retain an attorney?
What are the guys actual damages, if any? I doubt there would be any punitive damages.
Think contingent fee.
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So Wades personal information (address and phone number) were made public/more public? Sounds like it's time to play by the same rules... Post DiBlassio's information in the social media. Let's see how he likes fielding phone calls in the middle of the night and all hours asking if he's aware that he is an idiot. Two can play at that game, time to bully the Bully.
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Old 03-21-2015, 11:12   #20
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Lawful open carrier called out at high school choir show

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Although this may apply to some attention whores that carry SKS' into Starbucks, I don't think it applies here.
In MI this is the only way for the young man to be legally armed. He was carrying a holstered pistol and was well within the bounds of the law. Judging by the picture taken, he was also within the bounds of decorum.

The one seeking attention is the UM professor who admitted ignorance of the law, recognized that no law was broken yet stated he'd repeat his actions anyway.

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