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Old 07-06-2011, 18:36   #101
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I think Glocks should be carried 100% stock. Even a thing like a connector swap has its down sides. There's the one in a million chance that some prosecutor might hit you with an accidental death suit (saying you ACCIDENTALLY fired when you fired INTENTIONALLY to save your life). That doesn't really worry me to much. I am more worried about the negligent discharge aspect. The stock 5.5lbs trigger is an ideal weight for a gun with no external safeties. Don't forget that that slightly stiff trigger pull is your ONLY real defense against an accidental discharge. That could happen while holstering, handling the gun, or even holding an attacker at gunpoint. Just be careful with the 3.5lb. I'd say just shoot more.
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Old 07-06-2011, 18:45   #102
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Why does Glock insist that the light connector is not for duty/defense use? Are they idiots?
its called liability insurance. do you know how many idiots buy and carry glocks (or any other brand of firearm) with little to no training and little to no desire to learn?
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Old 07-06-2011, 19:05   #103
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I prefer the 4.5lb connector with the NY-1 spring in ALL of my Glocks for a couple of reasons.

1.) Back on Christmas Eve 2002 while shooting my original G23 and G27, both using the 3.5lb connector, (Glock now calls the latter a 4.5lb connector), I had unintentional double taps with both guns. In each I had just finished shooting a shot at the target, and less than a quarter second later sent another shot down range. Some of the best shooting I've ever done, both times the unintended follow up shot simply made the first hole a little bigger. The only problem was I didn't intend for this to happen.

With my present trigger set up I feel that I have more control of the trigger, I am still as accurate, (even more so with 147 grain 9mm), and I'm capable of more effectively controlling said "intentional" follow up shots now a days.

2.) Glock doesn't recommend or endorse the 3.5lb/4.5lb connector on guns for self defense. Since I'm not a firearms engineer, (or any engineer for that matter), I'll trust the people working for Glock have a strong reason for this policy that goes beyond covering their butts legally. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 07-06-2011, 20:41   #104
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I have the LWD 3.5 in one of my G19's and my G21. I like the 3.5 connector in a carry gun.
Not sure why everyone has to reference a prosecutor and liability as well as a AD with the 3.5. If you don't want to shoot what is in front of you- you should not be pointing a gun at it. If things are bad enough that I am pulling a gun for defense I am gonna use it. Connectors don't shoot people, neither do guns. Good trigger discipline goes along way.
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Old 07-06-2011, 20:48   #105
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My G26 carry pistol has a 3.5 lb connector.
Just keep your finger off the trigger till the target is in your sights and there will never be a problem.

Besides, think about it....the 3.5 lb connector brings the trigger-pull down to about 4 lbs.
The standard Glock trigger is 5.5 lbs.
How can an mere additional 1.5 lbs of resistance make any real difference from a safety standpoint?

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Old 07-06-2011, 21:10   #106
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My G26 carry pistol has a 3.5 lb connector.
Just keep your finger off the trigger till the target is in your sights and there will never be a problem.

Besides, think about it....the 3.5 lb connector brings the trigger-pull down to about 4 lbs.
The standard Glock trigger is 5.5 lbs.
How can an mere additional 1.5 lbs of resistance make any real difference from a safety standpoint?

The minus Glock connector only reduces the trigger pull approximately 1#.
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Old 07-06-2011, 22:03   #107
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The minus Glock connector only reduces the trigger pull approximately 1#.
My last two stock new guns had trigger pulls of 7.5# and greater than 8#, right out of the box.
No, the 5 1/2# trigger is often NOT 5 1/2#.
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Old 07-06-2011, 22:07   #108
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Ehh I don't see it as unsafe, but I prefer bone stock guns with night sights and a grip enhancer of some sort. I wouldn't have a problem carrying with just a 3.5 connector, I just don't like them.
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Old 07-06-2011, 22:09   #109
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My last two stock new guns had trigger pulls of 7.5# and greater than 8#, right out of the box.
No, the 5 1/2# trigger is often NOT 5 1/2#.
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I think I'm the exception to that rule. My gen 4 glock 22 breaks under 3 pounds stock. My gen 4 27 breaks at just over 5 and my gen 3 23 breaks at just over 4. All are stock, no 25 cent job, aftermarket connector etc etc.
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Old 07-07-2011, 00:00   #110
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What's your problem with Massad Ayoob? If you wanted to get the best advice on a golf swing wouldn't you go to Tiger Woods (pre-cheating fiasco)? If you wanted to learn how to completely fail at acting with a Southern accent, wouldn't you talk to Nicolas Cage?

Seriously though, Massad Ayoob has both been a cop and served as an expert witness in hundreds of shooting cases. That's not to mention his extensive gun writing background. What makes you think you are in any position to doubt his wisdom.

I'm no Mas Ayoob fanboy, but I appreciate wisdom. We all have our opinions and mine is no more important than yours. I just think it's very disrespectful of you to make fun of someone who has done more good for our sport and RIGHTS than you could ever hope to. Again, what's your beef with Massad Ayoob?

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Old 07-07-2011, 00:43   #111
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i have ghost rocket 3.5 connectors installed in my 17 and 26. either of them get carried daily. the safety comes from proper gun handling skills. my shooting accuracy and speed got better after moving to this setup so i feel that is also safer for me if i ever need to use them.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:21   #112
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I did put a 3.5 in my G21, but it didn't seem much lighter, and I checked the trigger pull, but don't remember what it was. I'll check tomorrow and see what it pulls.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:57   #113
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I think I'm the exception to that rule. My gen 4 glock 22 breaks under 3 pounds stock. My gen 4 27 breaks at just over 5 and my gen 3 23 breaks at just over 4. All are stock, no 25 cent job, aftermarket connector etc etc.
I really hate to be the one to tell you this (not really). You're measuring wrong if you're getting below 3 lbs. on a stock Glock 22 with a 5.5 lb connector.

Even a 3.5 lb connector doesn't provide a 3.5 lb trigger pull.

Now the latest LWD connector I have provides a consistant 4lb trigger with a solid, crisp break and a reset of a 5.5 lb connector..
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:43   #114
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3.5 connectors in mine.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:53   #115
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I think I'm the exception to that rule. My gen 4 glock 22 breaks under 3 pounds stock. My gen 4 27 breaks at just over 5 and my gen 3 23 breaks at just over 4. All are stock, no 25 cent job, aftermarket connector etc etc.

Replace your trigger pull gauge.
NO Stock Glock will have a sub 3# trigger pull from the factory.
Not close to 4# either.
Just over 5# with the new dot connector is possible.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:55   #116
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Do you consider this a safe configuration for carry? On my g20, I like that the 5 lb connector reduces much of the creep before the break, but my groups are tighter with the 3.5lb.
I've used them, but if you are getting tighter groups with the 3.5, you are not using the trigger very well. Once you learn Glock trigger control, you will go back to the 5 for tighter groups and more control.
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:00   #117
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Do you consider this a safe configuration for carry? On my g20, I like that the 5 lb connector reduces much of the creep before the break, but my groups are tighter with the 3.5lb.
I go with the Gost 3.5 ultimate kit for the .45 self defense. It puts a 6.0lb firing pin spring instead of the 4.0lb that comes with the regular 3.5 kit. It puts a very nice trigger break and reset. It will not be as light at the regular 3.5 kit but will keep your groups very close
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:34   #118
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Hey Kitt3N5, I am envious of those nice triggers of yours. I've never had a stock Glock that pulled that lightly. However, as others have said, is your gauge reading correctly?
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:00   #119
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a saf-t-blok and a 3.5 trigger is a good combo
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Old 07-07-2011, 07:08   #120
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While I don't carry (like the majority of civvy Californians) my HD G19 has the "-" connector. It took some getting used to after initially using the stock setup, but I feel I'm more accurate with it now, thus more confident. I really hope I never have to draw with purpose, but if I ever do I don't worry about the lawyers; I would have counsel of my own to counter any ridiculous notions that they might infer.
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