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Old 07-15-2011, 15:30   #1
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Should Women be Ministers?

I thought it might be a nice change of pace to see the opinions of the members here on this touchy subject.

I think the funny thing is those that are usually against me with sway my way on this subject where as, those that usually sway my way will repel.

Ok Me personally I think according to scripture women are not aloud to be ministers.
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Old 07-15-2011, 17:31   #2
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Old 07-15-2011, 17:54   #3
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Ok Me personally I think according to scripture women are not aloud to be ministers.

Times they have changed.

Women make excellent ministers.

The church I now attend has a woman misnister and she puts her whole heart into it. The proof of whether they should, is in the results of their ministry.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:21   #4
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Times they have changed.

Women make excellent ministers.

The church I now attend has a woman misnister and she puts her whole heart into it. The proof of whether they should, is in the results of their ministry.
Times may have changed however God never changes. Follow God and not wo-man
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:33   #5
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God has in the past used women to lead in the highest of positions.

Deborah, Hulda, etc. An elder is not a priest any more than a regular member is a priest. There should be no problem with a woman as a minister. The exception is when it is not acceptable to the community around that area. We must avoid reproach against Christ even for reasons may be acceptable to God.
God is the one who bestows the spiritual gift of pastor. Some people think that the Church can confer this, but that is why we end up with so many corrupt hireling ministers.


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3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:33   #6
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The real shame is there is not a man that will step up to the job. As long as they are sending out the Gospel, I am all for it.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:35   #7
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Times may have changed however God never changes. Follow God and not wo-man

LOL

I don't follow my woman minister.

I do try to follow the God I know.

The Bible was written in a different culture, and time. It is time that we let those old taboos go.

Of course we can not expect fundamentalists to go for that. It takes all kinds. My sister still goes to the fundamentalist church I grew up in 35 years ago. Just saw my neice get married there by the same minister that was there 35 years ago. He was glad to see me.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:47   #8
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I thought it might be a nice change of pace to see the opinions of the members here on this touchy subject.

I think the funny thing is those that are usually against me with sway my way on this subject where as, those that usually sway my way will repel.

Ok Me personally I think according to scripture women are not aloud to be ministers.
so what is between your legs decides whether you can be a minister.....interesting.

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God has in the past used women to lead in the highest of positions.

Deborah, Hulda, etc. An elder is not a priest any more than a regular member is a priest. There should be no problem with a woman as a minister. The exception is when it is not acceptable to the community around that area. We must avoid reproach against Christ even for reasons may be acceptable to God.
God is the one who bestows the spiritual gift of pastor. Some people think that the Church can confer this, but that is why we end up with so many corrupt hireling ministers.


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Old 07-15-2011, 20:32   #11
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Wow seems like aot of personal opinions here and alot of ignoring what scripture actualy says. Remember the way that seems right to a man in the end is DEATH. Happy Sabbath all
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Wow seems like aot of personal opinions here and alot of ignoring what scripture actualy says. Remember the way that seems right to a man in the end is DEATH. Happy Sabbath all
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Wow seems like aot of personal opinions here and alot of ignoring what scripture actualy says. Remember the way that seems right to a man in the end is DEATH. Happy Sabbath all
Yeah certain sects of Christianity have trouble with the whole "personal opinion" thing. Can't think outside of the little tiny doctrinal box that has been given. When the water does not move it ends in stagnation and death.

We use to have revivals at that fundamentalis church I grew up in. I remember sitting in those services with those traveling revival teachers.....they had that nack for scaring you back to another stab at being perfect for God........

I'd rather find God in the freedom of personal opinion then die in those doctrinal dungeons that force all into the same mold.

Free your mind and the rest will follow.
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Old 07-15-2011, 22:58   #14
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Why not? Personally i've talked to one or two lady preachers and they were ok by me. I'd have no problem with this at all, don't understand why anybody would in this day and age.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:44   #15
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I have heard a lot of good & bad ministers. Some were men and some were women. It is how you preach the bible that matters, not what sex you are. There are a lot of TV preachers that should be banned from preaching as all they are after is the money and fame. Most could care less about the people they are preaching to. Everyone has their own outlook on this and should make up their own minds on how to deal with it.
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3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God and that it doesn't matter who you are, Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way, by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.

This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1.
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In the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women. Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.

God's word clearly tells us that the elder is to be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot qualify for this position by virtue of her being female. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant to the fact that this is what the Bible teaches.
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In the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women. Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.

God's word clearly tells us that the elder is to be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot qualify for this position by virtue of her being female. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant to the fact that this is what the Bible teaches.
Do you think a pastor is a modern day priest?

The difference I see between our two views is that I allow God to make the decisions of who He will give the spiritual gift of pastor to. You would make a big fuss if God chose a woman. Do you have a self esteem problem?

Those who need a priest other than Jesus are control types. If you had your way in the time of the judges Deborah would not have had the office of judge. She was chosen by God to the highest spiritual office in Israel.

Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
4:5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
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No and only because they don't look sexy with the priest collar thing on.
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I thought it might be a nice change of pace to see the opinions of the members here on this touchy subject.

I think the funny thing is those that are usually against me with sway my way on this subject where as, those that usually sway my way will repel.

Ok Me personally I think according to scripture women are not aloud to be ministers.
What if they're really quiet?
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If you want to be practical and rational, the answer is yes. If you believe the Bible, the answer is no.
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No and only because they don't look sexy with the priest collar thing on.
What if that is all they have on?
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:10   #23
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Minister? Yes
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And queers shouldn't be ministers either.
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God calls whom God calls. The bible is replete with examples of women prophetesses.

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Do you think a pastor is a modern day priest?

The difference I see between our two views is that I allow God to make the decisions of who He will give the spiritual gift of pastor to. You would make a big fuss if God chose a woman. Do you have a self esteem problem?

Those who need a priest other than Jesus are control types. If you had your way in the time of the judges Deborah would not have had the office of judge. She was chosen by God to the highest spiritual office in Israel.

Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
4:5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Yes a pastor or minister still hold simular offices as a priest.

Deborah was a prophetess who ruled Israel.Judges 4:4: “And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.” Because men would not assume their responsibilities, God raised up and used a woman. God will put a woman in charge when men are lazy and cowardly. Anytime the leadership of men is dispensed with and women rule over men, it is a judgment. Isa.3:12 “As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths.” Deborah brought shame to the Israelite men as they had fear so that none dared to assume leadership. Deborah shamed Barak, the military commander of Israel’s army, for his failure to assume the leadership God had given him, he refused to advance against Sisera without her presence and commanding influence (Judges 4:8). After she mediated God’s command to him to join battle with Sisera, commander of the Canaanite army, Barak replies: “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.” Deborah responded, “Very well...I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this (full of fear) the honor will not be yours, the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman.” The LORD raised up this woman, who was full of faith, to disgrace the men of Israel for their lack of faith, because it was not appropriate for unfaithful men to take the leadership of the nation.

Vic Gods word is plain on the role of women in the church. I am not suprised though that you go against this. Women can in a church teach the children and other women, they cannot teach over the men.

Take Ellen White..she went against Gods word placed herself in a position over Men in the church and the end result was she made many false prophecies proving she was a fraud. By the bible's standards she should have been thrown out after the first failed prophecy. She was another Harold Camping and those that follow her will suffer when they stand before God.

The Bible isn't something you and insert your own opinion on and say hey that was then this is now. God never changes and it oiffends Him when people think He does.
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