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Old 07-17-2011, 02:22   #1
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Free* Evolution Books

"Free*" free, but with strings attached.

I will purchase 1 each of the following 3 books

and send a copy to any of the regulars who is an evolution denier or skeptic (while supplies last) provided that they agree with the following conditions:
  • provide a shipping address (obviously, right)
  • agree to have your Glock Talk username shared on the thread as a selected recipient
  • within 4 weeks of receiving the book, you will provide a review and participate in a discussion
  • when through with the book either pay it forward to somebody else accepting the same conditions, or return it to me

Feel free to PM me or reply to the thread if you have any questions, or you're interested in one of the books.

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Old 07-17-2011, 03:02   #2
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Great idea! But why would any skeptic let something as insignificant as facts get in the way of their world view? My experience is they simply reject anything that doesn't confirm their preconceived ideas and accept whatever tripe supports them.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:58   #3
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Great idea! But why would any skeptic let something as insignificant as facts get in the way of their world view? My experience is they simply reject anything that doesn't confirm their preconceived ideas and accept whatever tripe supports them.
A skeptic doesn't reject facts; a skeptic rejects unsupported assertions.
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A skeptic doesn't reject facts; a skeptic rejects unsupported assertions.

Evolution skeptics reject the facts. The same science that brought us the atom bomb and the iPhone proves the age of the earth and dates fossils (an example to refute the young-earth Creationists). Evolution is a fact; the mechanism of how organisms evolve is what scientists study.

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Eric, if you don't mind, please define "fact" as you used it in your last post.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:41   #6
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AG, the evangelatheist!!
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:55   #7
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A skeptic doesn't reject facts; a skeptic rejects unsupported assertions.
That's cause their not skeptics, they are deniers.

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That's cause their not skeptics, they are deniers.

Randy
Largely true, given the volume of evidence. I actually started with that term, and changed it because I think there are still some people that honestly don't know what the theory includes, and I didn't want to exclude that group.tHough we certainly have our deniers as well.

I will update the original post to include skeptics and deniers.
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Old 07-17-2011, 11:24   #9
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I assume these are tax deductable as part of your religion?
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I assume these are tax deductable as part of your religion?
Touche.... Good one..

You can't just be a follower to get the tax deduction...

But still, funny...

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AG, the evangelatheist!!
When does offering information cross the line to evangelizing?

Is every instructor an evangelist? Every author an evangelist? My offer is quite meager by comparison and just out there for anybody to take it or leave it.
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You're offering with a specific agenda in mind, and that's to convert people to your viewpoint. That's fine with me, but it seems similar enough to evangelism to make the name valid LOL.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:03   #13
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You're offering with a specific agenda in mind, and that's to convert people to your viewpoint. That's fine with me, but it seems similar enough to evangelism to make the name valid LOL.
So must acceptance of evolution lead to atheism?

Maybe an antievolutionignorancevangelist?
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I doubt it, but the name could be catchy.

If I start a thread offering a free book on mechanical vibrations, that would not suggest an underlying intention. If I start a thread offering a study Bible or one of Strobel's books, then all of you guys will know what I'm trying to do--evangelize!
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Ill take a copy and give it a fair unbaised review.
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Ill take a copy and give it a fair unbaised review.
Cool, I'll let you know when I have the books in hand.
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I'm not an evolution denier or skeptic, but if you eventually find that you have extra copies of The Annotated Origin lying around I would be grateful to read it and return it to you. I've been lurking on here for a while, with an occasional post, and I notice that you suggest those titles regularly. My curiosity is piqued, and I would like to learn more of what there is to know on the subject. My local library has copies of the other two, but not The Annotated Origin; only the original by Charles Darwin.

I realize I don't exactly fit the requirements you listed in that I am an atheist, but I figure it's worth asking anyways. For what it's worth, I wouldn't mind participating in a conversation about it, although I've found that my opinion on all things in RI tends to align with yours pretty well, only less fluent.
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achysklic,
Which of the 3 books would you like?

So that there is no surprise, the authors of the 2nd and 3rd books (Coyne and Prothero) do not hesitate to point out areas where Creationism is unable to provide a good explanation.

PM me with your shipping details, I should be able to get this to the post office on Friday.
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I'll see what we can work out after achysklic makes his selection.
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AG I would like Why Evolution is True

Thanks

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I think you should donate them to a Holiday Inn Express to put in a nightstand alongside the Bible. More choices for everyone, and also fair and balanced.
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Free books! Lawd I'm fair to swoonin'. "God loves you when you read." (Billy Joe Shaver said it was "dance" but he was wrong.)

If you keep this up you'll have to upgrade to OrganicGrape.
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achskylic and apacheaws your books are now under the care of the USPS.

BradD "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters" is still available for the asking.
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Thanks. Reading queue is full for months, though! I've been meaning to ask if any of you guys have read Donald Johnson's Probability's Nature and Nature's Probability. I'm slowly working through it now.
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Thanks. Reading queue is full for months, though! I've been meaning to ask if any of you guys have read Donald Johnson's Probability's Nature and Nature's Probability. I'm slowly working through it now.
I have not come across that one.

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Oh, I coined a new term -- altru-athe-istic.
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