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Old 08-07-2011, 17:50   #1
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Thinking of stocking some Vodka for barter

I drink it myself anyway, and it can be used for other things as well. For less than $90 I can get SIX 750ML bottles of decent vodka (I like it).

Is that enough or should I get more? If more, how much more?
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Old 08-07-2011, 18:02   #2
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Old 08-07-2011, 18:09   #3
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Old 08-07-2011, 19:08   #4
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Drunk looters would be easier to defend against.
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Old 08-07-2011, 19:19   #5
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OP: personally I would suggest more. History suggests that things like booze and cigarettes are helpful barter items in SHTF and aftermath.
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Old 08-07-2011, 21:09   #6
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How much bartering are you planning to do? I would get more if you are seriously considering this as a bartering tool in SHFT. 6 bottles has the bartering power of, umm, let's see, about $90 - maybe a little more if you're lucky. Whoopie. I would advocate the purchase of several cases if you are able. It will keep a long time, and will likely never go to waste. It will never get any cheaper either. Just sayin' . . .

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Old 08-07-2011, 22:14   #7
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Alright, I'll pickup some more. I have other things to barter as well, just wanted to diversify...
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:16   #8
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How much bartering are you planning to do? I would get more if you are seriously considering this as a bartering tool in SHFT. 6 bottles has the bartering power of, umm, let's see, about $90 - maybe a little more if you're lucky. Whoopie. I would advocate the purchase of several cases if you are able. It will keep a long time, and will likely never go to waste. It will never get any cheaper either. Just sayin' . . .

When planning for SHTF it is helpful to detach from dollar reconciliation of "price". Absent central planning, price discovery is more varied and takes place at point-of-transaction. For example, an individual has no vodka and regards it highly. This individual has an item "worth" more than $90 (ie: original FRN price tag exceeded $90). He may well be willing to trade it for one bottle of vodka if he has no other access to vodka and the item he possesses is of lesser value/utility to him (or if he has more than one of the item in question). An example of this would be the siege of Stalingrad where wealthy urbanites were trading jewels and furs to the peasants in the countryside for bags of potatoes. The relative value of given commodities changes dramatically in post-SHTF based on differing sets of price-discovery and utility mechanisms in a context of scarcity vs abundance. This is one of the chief arguments behind including alcohol and tobacco as part of one's preps. Small luxuries have historically proven to be of great barter value. Also included in this category are chocolate/cocoa, women's stockings, safety razors, canned/preserved fruit, etc. Preps should not be limited to what is purely utilitarian.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:43   #9
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I would buy the case of 6, just to keep for my own use. I've read that real life SHTF can be extremely boring, hot, uncomfortable, etc.

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Old 08-08-2011, 06:40   #10
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Alright, I'll pickup some more. I have other things to barter as well, just wanted to diversify...
Maybe you'll should get some other types of booze and start a neighborhood bar. In the gold rush days a pinch of gold got you a drink.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:42   #11
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When planning for SHTF it is helpful to detach from dollar reconciliation of "price". Absent central planning, price discovery is more varied and takes place at point-of-transaction. For example, an individual has no vodka and regards it highly. This individual has an item "worth" more than $90 (ie: original FRN price tag exceeded $90). He may well be willing to trade it for one bottle of vodka if he has no other access to vodka and the item he possesses is of lesser value/utility to him (or if he has more than one of the item in question). An example of this would be the siege of Stalingrad where wealthy urbanites were trading jewels and furs to the peasants in the countryside for bags of potatoes. The relative value of given commodities changes dramatically in post-SHTF based on differing sets of price-discovery and utility mechanisms in a context of scarcity vs abundance. This is one of the chief arguments behind including alcohol and tobacco as part of one's preps. Small luxuries have historically proven to be of great barter value. Also included in this category are chocolate/cocoa, women's stockings, safety razors, canned/preserved fruit, etc. Preps should not be limited to what is purely utilitarian.

Great point, BWS -- totally sensible and reasonable, and well worth documenting for the record...


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Old 08-08-2011, 11:15   #12
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Here's how I answer my own" how much question".

Do I use it?
how long is shelf life?
How much do I normally consume?

Stock an amount close to your total use for the normal shelf life.

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Old 08-08-2011, 11:49   #13
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Friend of mine single-hand sailing to French Polynesias. Guess what was the first thing the locals traded away from him? His Mexican tequila. They didn't want his money. They wanted his booze. He'd have been much better prepared if he'd stocked more liquor.

Sorry to say he traded it for virtually nothing in return, being the typical American tourist. I think he got bananas and a home-made dictionary in return. Oof.
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Old 08-08-2011, 14:45   #14
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Liquor is a great thing to stock for barter. Rather than stocking all vodka, tho, I'd stock other varieties. Sure, someone who really needs some liquor will probably settle for vodka, but if you have what they really want (e.g,. scotch or tequila), it will be worth more to them.
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Old 08-08-2011, 15:13   #15
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Alcohol is a high utility item period.

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and of course, good old personal entertainment value!

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Old 08-08-2011, 20:16   #16
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When planning for SHTF it is helpful to detach from dollar reconciliation of "price". Absent central planning, price discovery is more varied and takes place at point-of-transaction. For example, an individual has no vodka and regards it highly. This individual has an item "worth" more than $90 (ie: original FRN price tag exceeded $90). He may well be willing to trade it for one bottle of vodka if he has no other access to vodka and the item he possesses is of lesser value/utility to him (or if he has more than one of the item in question). An example of this would be the siege of Stalingrad where wealthy urbanites were trading jewels and furs to the peasants in the countryside for bags of potatoes. The relative value of given commodities changes dramatically in post-SHTF based on differing sets of price-discovery and utility mechanisms in a context of scarcity vs abundance. This is one of the chief arguments behind including alcohol and tobacco as part of one's preps. Small luxuries have historically proven to be of great barter value. Also included in this category are chocolate/cocoa, women's stockings, safety razors, canned/preserved fruit, etc. Preps should not be limited to what is purely utilitarian.

I agree with the above - and others who have said to diversify the collection. I still say more than 6 bottles if you can manage though.

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Old 08-08-2011, 20:56   #17
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When planning for SHTF it is helpful to detach from dollar reconciliation of "price". Absent central planning, price discovery is more varied and takes place at point-of-transaction. For example, an individual has no vodka and regards it highly. This individual has an item "worth" more than $90 (ie: original FRN price tag exceeded $90). He may well be willing to trade it for one bottle of vodka if he has no other access to vodka and the item he possesses is of lesser value/utility to him (or if he has more than one of the item in question). An example of this would be the siege of Stalingrad where wealthy urbanites were trading jewels and furs to the peasants in the countryside for bags of potatoes. The relative value of given commodities changes dramatically in post-SHTF based on differing sets of price-discovery and utility mechanisms in a context of scarcity vs abundance. This is one of the chief arguments behind including alcohol and tobacco as part of one's preps. Small luxuries have historically proven to be of great barter value. Also included in this category are chocolate/cocoa, women's stockings, safety razors, canned/preserved fruit, etc. Preps should not be limited to what is purely utilitarian.
Well, yeah, but it IS helpful to have a starting point. Then get whatever you can. Basic negotiating skills are a GREAT survival skill. For everyday or SHTF.
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