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Old 08-14-2011, 08:29   #1
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Hard cast lead in a Glock barrel?

I started reloading 40 a few months back and was wondering about shooting HC lead thru a stock Glock barrel. The LGS sells Berry's plated for $50. box/250. What's the point in reloading at that price?

So I ordered a couple thousand light 140 gr HC lead from Friendswood Bullet in Tx at a good price. Using a light load of 4.2 gr. of Ramshot Competition thru an aftermarket barrel in my G32. Nice light plinking load. I shot my first PPC match with it this weekend and did fairly well.

Now I have my eye on a G35 and I'm wondering if I stay real conservative with HC lead will the stock G35 barrel be okay or do I need to find some plated or jacketed bullets? Seems like I read someplace that HC lead is fine at lower velocity?
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:42   #2
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B1,

How many rounds did you shoot with that load, and how much lead is in your barrel?

You can shoot lead safely in a stock Glock barrel, if you understand how fast the lead builds up (for that particular bullet), and clean thoroughly before it reaches "moderate."

Also:

1-That is probably the most expensive way to buy plated bullets. Try buying berrys from www.powdervalleyinc.com.

2-You can buy an aftermarket barrel from www.lonewolfdist.com for pretty cheap. Then you can shoot a lot more lead rounds between cleaning.

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Old 08-14-2011, 08:44   #3
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A long debated topic on this site Those that have been shooting lead forever and those that get the aftermarket barrel. Where is my popcorn?
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Old 08-14-2011, 08:52   #4
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SK- I have about 300 rds thru the aftermarket barrel (unknown brand- bought it used & unmarked) since last cleaning. It looks good, no leading noted. It's pretty accurate too.

So the OEM Glock barrel is GTG with HC lead with frequent cleaning? What removes lead quickly if some does build up in the barrel?
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I disagree with Koski a bit. I don't think lead builds up over time. A load either leads right away, or it doesn't. If I load a full dose of fast powder and use soft bullets, my guns will lead up terribly in just three or four shots. With the right load, you get no leading and you can shoot it until carbon crud in the action and chamber becomes a problem. I don't find lead to be cumulative. Five shots of a terrible lad leaves the same amount of lead as 100.
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This is at 25 yards off hand. This load does not lead at all.

Reloading

This load doesn't led either, again at 25 yards.

Reloading
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WiskeyT - nice groups off hand at 25 yds!!

I guess if I pick up a G35 I should move up to a heavier slower moving bullet like 180's to minimize the chance of leading an OEM barrel. Prolly go to a slower powder too. The Ramshot Competition is a really fast burner.

I was trying to keep the compact running with a stock 18 lb recoil spring and a nice soft shooting load that is reliable. All the top PPC guys shoot 9mm since there's no power factor requirement. But I get all the free 40 cal. brass I can pick up at my dept. range so that is the path I'm taking.
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WiskeyT - nice groups off hand at 25 yds!!

I guess if I pick up a G35 I should move up to a heavier slower moving bullet like 180's to minimize the chance of leading an OEM barrel. Prolly go to a slower powder too. The Ramshot Competition is a really fast burner.

I was trying to keep the compact running with a stock 18 lb recoil spring and a nice soft shooting load that is reliable. All the top PPC guys shoot 9mm since there's no power factor requirement. But I get all the free 40 cal. brass I can pick up at my dept. range so that is the path I'm taking.
Those groups are the exception, not the rule, due to the fact that I don't shoot that well on a consistent basis. that is what those guns/loads do, but only if I can hold everything just right.
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This is at 25 yards off hand. This load does not lead at all.

Reloading

This load doesn't led either, again at 25 yards.

Reloading

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B1,

The CRB method of fast & thorough lead removal in a .40 bore is a piece of copper chore boy over a wet patch over a 9mm jag. It's a poor man's Lewis Lead Remover.

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Old 08-16-2011, 22:59   #12
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I plan to shoot a gssf match this weekend with my g17. I usually only shoot the plated bullets out of the stock barrel however i only have some hc bullets left. Do you guys know of any loads using AA7 and 115 or 124gr bullets that wont have much lead fouling? Also would 100-150 rounds be too much to put through it at one time at the match? Should i clean the barrel after each stage?
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Old 08-17-2011, 00:51   #13
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I started reloading 40 a few months back and was wondering about shooting HC lead thru a stock Glock barrel. The LGS sells Berry's plated for $50. box/250. What's the point in reloading at that price?

So I ordered a couple thousand light 140 gr HC lead from Friendswood Bullet in Tx at a good price. Using a light load of 4.2 gr. of Ramshot Competition thru an aftermarket barrel in my G32. Nice light plinking load. I shot my first PPC match with it this weekend and did fairly well.

Now I have my eye on a G35 and I'm wondering if I stay real conservative with HC lead will the stock G35 barrel be okay or do I need to find some plated or jacketed bullets? Seems like I read someplace that HC lead is fine at lower velocity?
You can run lead in a Glock with far more care and maintenance. I just run a LWD barrel instead. YMMV.
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:44   #14
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This is at 25 yards off hand. This load does not lead at all.

Reloading

This load doesn't led either, again at 25 yards.

Reloading
There are many things I have learned on this forum.

The one that sticks the most is how lousy of a shot I am.
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This is at 25 yards off hand. This load does not lead at all.

This load doesn't led either, again at 25 yards.

Male or female measuring units??

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There are many things I have learned on this forum.

The one that sticks the most is how lousy of a shot I am.
Just keep in mind, those targets are the keepers. I go through boxes of printer paper that end up in the trash.
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I plan to shoot a gssf match this weekend with my g17. I usually only shoot the plated bullets out of the stock barrel however i only have some hc bullets left. Do you guys know of any loads using AA7 and 115 or 124gr bullets that wont have much lead fouling? Also would 100-150 rounds be too much to put through it at one time at the match? Should i clean the barrel after each stage?
I wouldn't want to tinker around with unproven rounds at a match. Unless you have the time to test them out before you go, I would stick with a load you know works well. Cast bullet loads can often be terrible performers. It would suck to see big groups with sideways bullet holes at a match.

I never used AA7, but it is probably a good powder for cast loads, but might require upper end loading to get good performance. That would leave you with a relatively loud and higher recoiling round.
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It can be done, you just have to clean more frequently or get an aftermarket bbl. How many lead bullets does it take between cleaning? I don;t want to find out, so clean every 100rds or so.
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I used to shoot USPSA a lot, and the last gun that I used was a G21. I loaded 200 grain SWC's over enough Unique to make major. I had totally disregarded the no-lead warning in the manual without a second thought. The pistol was fired 100-200x per week, and not cleaned on a regular basis. The projectiles were from TN Cartridge Company in Oakland TN. I never had a problem of any sort. The barrel never showed signs of leading.

I've recently started casting my own bullets, and have learned that there's a lot of science required to get it right - proper bullet diameter for a specific barrel, the right hardness, and other variables like case sizing and crimping. If anyone has any guidance for 9mm in a Glock barrel, I'm interested as I'm still gathering information and figuring out what to do for my G17 and G34.
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