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Old 01-22-2013, 11:56   #251
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Concealment starts with making others think that there is nothing there when they look at you. Nothing to draw attention to yourself, your clothing, your attitude. In a former life, I had the occasion to use cammo sticks in various colors. The trick is not having a straight line. Nature abhors a straight line. With that in mind. Wear clothes that cause your weapon to blend. In my case, striped dress shirts when using an IWB. Suit or Sport jacket when using OWB (preferred) Don't engage strangers with your eyes. Look at them, not into them. Scan with your eyes, not your head. (practice) Melt into the crowd, don't stand out from the crowd.
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:13   #252
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Yeah a guy with a Glock hat, photographer's vest, fannypack, and 5.11 pants is really not doing much to conceal anything. I don't think I have one piece of clothing with a firearms logo on it and I certainly don't have any 5.11 anything. Why someone wants to wear all those flashing lights that scream, "I have a gun!" is beyond me. Concealed is more than just not having a Desert Eagle strapped to your hip.
Nobody but CCWers and IDPA shooters and about half of cops recognize that any of that stuff indicates you have a gun. You can put Colt and S&W and anything else all over your 5.11 vest and non-shooters, including criminals, won't get it.
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Old 01-22-2013, 13:23   #253
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Criminals very often make their mark based off the actions of their target. I wouldn't say that being balls out tactical is the right way to roll, but mimicking someone who is clueless isn't the right move either.

Walking upright, having a purpose to what you do and generally being confident and aware are all traits that can significantly decrease the chance of a need to defend yourself in the first place.

I understand the thread is about how not to be made, but purposely mimicking a person in condition white, where the only person who knows you have a clue what is going on around you, is you (mimic but be in a heightened level) is going a bit far in my opinion.

I make an effort to conceal effectively and don't wear obvious clues so I don't stand out. However I also agree with dnuggett quite a lot. Looking like you are paying attention imo says you are not an easy mark and are more likely to be passed by when a BG is looking for someone to rob. Maybe paying attention is an indicator for further scrutiny, but further scrutiny should yield no bulges or obvious signs and keep them guessing.
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Old 01-22-2013, 16:58   #254
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Nobody but CCWers and IDPA shooters and about half of cops recognize that any of that stuff indicates you have a gun. You can put Colt and S&W and anything else all over your 5.11 vest and non-shooters, including criminals, won't get it.
Might as well cut down on those "in the know" anyway. Just because they are fellow CCW or IDPA, doesn't meant that they should know either.

One of the pieces of advice I got, that is also an internet meme, is: When in combat, try to look unimportant, the enemy may be low on ammunition.


Do I have tacticool stuff. Yes. I even have pants that have tourniquets in the legs at two different levels. I bought them as a joke for under $20 on clearance, but they would work. Would I pull them out and put them on after the 19th zombie I killed at the front door? Maybe. Maybe even after the third one.

It's OK to have tacti-cool stuff, and there is a proper place and time to wear that stuff. I wear multi-pocketed pants when out at the ranch hunting. No one looks twice, as most of us are active duty, Veterans or family members of veterans. No one blinks twice at an AR 10 or AR 15 either.

But in the mall, let the security guard look the coolest.

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Especially if you have all that stuff because your favorite action figure has it.......

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Old 02-10-2013, 21:38   #255
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Old 02-17-2013, 21:09   #256
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Old 02-18-2013, 14:37   #257
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How about if everything am wearing is gray?
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Old 02-24-2013, 16:45   #258
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In TX if you can see an outline, it's not concealed by definition and a ticketable offense that will cost your CCW license (CHL here). In short, it can't be detectable. Period. It's done all the time here. It's a matter of carrying for your frame, and keeping clothes in mind.
I wonder if the same rule applies if a shoplifter puts a toaster under their shirt in Texas.
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Old 02-24-2013, 17:10   #259
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I have a Team GLOCK visor that I occasionally wear in public (whenever I decide to "do" my hair that day, at least)

I'm sure people know what it is/what it stands for/what it means, but I'm not worried about it.

If anything it just lets the bad guys know for a fact you aren't the perfect victim they are hoping for, without them having to "size you up" and guess if you're carrying.

In public, my carry position is only accessible to me (about halfway between 1 and 2-o-clock) - I just don't feel comfortable having it at 3-o-clock (directly on my hip) where someone could attempt to grab it from behind. Hell no.. not happening.

I am glad that printing isn't illegal in this state though, because just today as I was exiting the movie store, the wind was blowing like crazy.

I believe TWC said it was 15-20 MPH winds.

It pushed my shirt to the point where you could see the entire outline of the pistol.

It was 68 degrees today, so obviously I only wore a t-shirt. Lil bit harder to completely conceal that way.

I'd hate to lose my permit because of the wind. lol
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Old 03-19-2013, 13:15   #260
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I'm not grey, and I don't really care. I'm a veteran, and proud of it. As such, I often wear t-shirts/caps/jackets with flags/unit crests/slogans or what-have-you. I also wear "tacticool" pants and boots fairly often... not only do I like their utility, they are generally pretty comfortable to me. I think if you REALLY believe that folks are that observant of your dress, you are seriously overestimating the powers of observation of most folks around you. Now, granted, I live in a military town, so much of my apparel blends in better, but even when I haven't, people just don't notice. "I" often notice, but I'm looking. I've seen people open carry in public... I don't care, but I usually observe the people around, and in general, either no one notices, or if they do, they just don't care.

My main focus of self-defense is against your garden-variety thug. I highly doubt they would notice if I was wearing a Glock cap. Now, if I have to go up against some ex-Spetsnaz black-ops badguys, it might be an issue, but in the real world... not so much. I've been CCing for 15 years now and have never had anyone so much as raise an eyebrow at me.
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Old 03-19-2013, 17:47   #261
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I wonder if the same rule applies if a shoplifter puts a toaster under their shirt in Texas.
Don't think you need a permit to carry a concealed toaster in Texas.
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Don't think you need a permit to carry a concealed toaster in Texas.
would it be considered concealed for the purpose of shoplifting. Could a person stopped for shoplifting simply say "hey, its not concealed because you can see its outline". I was making a joke.
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:25   #263
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would it be considered concealed for the purpose of shoplifting. Could a person stopped for shoplifting simply say "hey, its not concealed because you can see its outline". I was making a joke.
Hmmm. Not sure. I don't really know much about the Texas concealed toaster carry laws.

Here in Florida, we can carry toasters concealed as long as they don't toast more than 10 slices at once. But if the outline is visible -- that's a no-no. Especially if it's being shoplifted.

Assault toasters have banned entirely. Concealed microwave legislation is currently being discussed in the state senate.
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Hmmm. Not sure. I don't really know much about the Texas concealed toaster carry laws.

Here in Florida, we can carry toasters concealed as long as they don't toast more than 10 slices at once. But if the outline is visible -- that's a no-no. Especially if it's being shoplifted.

Assault toasters have banned entirely. Concealed microwave legislation is currently being discussed in the state senate.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:57   #265
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I usually will look in a mirror to see how the outline is broken up. Winter has me using an OWB holster as I wear a hoodie and a jacket. No one notices. Summer is a little more tricky but I can usually hide it with an untucked shirt.
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Old 04-23-2013, 13:22   #266
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I wear cheap knock off 5.11's because I find them comfortable. I sometimes wonder though if I am 'broadcasting' more than I want to though with them. I don't wear anything else that's 'cop' or para military in nature though.

I've started putting my flashlight in one of the pockets instead of on my belt to go more with the blending in process.

I'm interested in blending in more. Though I don't think 5.11's by themselves necessarily make you stand out...at least not around here.

Another thing I used to do was when I would enter a restaurant I would stop at the door and scan the room. I'm more circumspect about that now.
You may not think your 5.11's are suspect, and they are not....(to the 3 14 yr old girls in the food court..or the couple over there eating a pretzel...) but half the people on this thread can probably tell you what brand your pants are from 50 feet...to the trained eye they stick out like a sore thumb....real comfy pants tho :-)
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I have a hard time fitting the "gray man" role, but not necessarily by choice. My tshirt collection consists of shirts from a few of my favorite metal bands, and Harley Davidson shirts. Where I have a hard time being the "gray man" comes from my size. I'm not usually the tallest man in the room, but I am usually the biggest, usually. If I'm in the gun store or the Harley shop, I won't typically get a second look from people, but when I go strolling through Chuck E Cheese with my kids in tow, I get a few stares from the soccer moms. I don't walk around with a smug look on my face or with a "Come at me Bro" attitude, but my size and how I look(shaved head, goatee but no tattoos or piercings) are usually enough to garner a few looks from people.

I'm polite and respectful to others when out and about, I hold doors for people of either sex, not because I'm carrying and want to look friendly so people don't suspect I'm carrying, but because its how I was raised. My behavior around other people is the same whether carrying or not. If a person has to act differently when carrying, you have to wonder why a gun would change a persons attitude and demeanor. Shouldn't we as adults be behaving in a respectful manner anyways?

Becoming "gray" or blending in so to speak, is more about how you act and carry yourself rather than whether or not your wearing Dockers and Polo shirts everywhere you go. Choosing proper gear, ie gun belt, holster, gun, iwb,owb, carry position on your body, are all things that we should take into consideration when wanting to be completely concealed, but that isn't where it ends.

Just my $.02, and as always ladies and gentlemen, YMMV. Carry on.
6'6", 370 (ish)... Bald, goatee, no tats, earrings though. Only place I wouldn't stand out is a meeting of retired NFL Offensive Linemen. But, I don't wear gun shirts, tactical gear or carry a full size 1911. I wear pretty baggy clothing all the time, and with my size and typical clothing choices, I can conceal the gun itself pretty easily. After reading through the thread, I do wonder if I have any other "tells" though...
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"... I can conceal the gun itself pretty easily. After reading through the thread, I do wonder if I have any other 'tells' though..."
If you can conceal it easily, then the only ones who might "make" you are others who carry. Not worth worrying about.
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Old 07-24-2013, 19:44   #270
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My idea of this subject goes like this. I think about what I before I carried and keep that same style.
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Old 08-01-2013, 17:44   #271
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Personally I like to play the bad guy game. I assume the roll of a bad guy and as I enter and exit places and situations I take note of the people and their actions. From my bad guy standpoint I observe to see who is constantly and somewhat obviously scanning the room. Who sits facing exits and what not and say okay I would shoot them first. I then try not to do some of the things that my "marks" do that make them stand out to me.
Very interesting. I like this kind of thinking. OTOH, I really don't know what the point is of this. Yes, it's important to be the Grey Man for various reasons, but in the area of the country I come from -everyone- has a knife clip on their pocket. Everyone has belt gear. Everyone wears shades and a variety of baseball caps and cargo shorts. Even the non-carriers wear tactical gear because it's easy to find. I've found about 10 pairs of 5.11 pants, shorts and shirts for $4-6 each at our Goodwill store (I'm thinking guys get portly and out grow them). Some have been new with tags on.

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Old 09-13-2013, 13:05   #272
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My idea of this subject goes like this. I think about what I before I carried and keep that same style.
That pretty well sums it up and that's how I've approached concealed carry since I got my AZ CCW back in 2002. I do admit that I like wearing my Gunsite caps with the raven on them -- I know Buz, the owner, and he lets us use one of his amateur radio stations every Nov. 17th. for our special event, using the call sign K7NRA (Thanks to its owner.), to celebrate the NRA's birthday.

However, in summer, I just wear shorts or jeans with a T-shirt with the tail out to cover my G19. If it is cooler, I'll wear a shirt over a T-shirt with the tail out and/or a jacket. However, with AZ being an open carry state, I'll frequently carry openly as I think it is good to let the liberals who move here from CA and the East Coast know that is legal -- and to mess with their heads.
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Old 10-07-2013, 19:13   #273
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To me, one of the biggest give aways for a carrier are the obnoxious metal or plastic clips on an IWB holster.

I had a salesman come into my office(granite company) last week and I literally saw the CBST clips from the parking lot looking out my window. I just chuckled.
yes the clips are a real bad idea on a concealment holster, what are they thinking ?

I took mine off and replaced with Harwell heavy duty kydex clips, soon to be making my own
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Hmmm. Not sure. I don't really know much about the Texas concealed toaster carry laws.

Here in Florida, we can carry toasters concealed as long as they don't toast more than 10 slices at once. But if the outline is visible -- that's a no-no. Especially if it's being shoplifted.

Assault toasters have banned entirely. Concealed microwave legislation is currently being discussed in the state senate.
Actually, Florida concealed carry law was amended to include language that makes accidental exposure (ie printing or flashing) perfectly legal, so long as it isn't done in a threatening manner.
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I was just at a Pumpkin patch field trip with my kids school. I was standing in line for a balloon and the guy in front of me had on tactical shorts and a knife clipped to his pocket. I immediately looked at his waist and he was carrying with an owb holster @ 4:00 under a black shirt. I could see the print clearly enough to know and wonder if anyone else even noticed at all. Then again printing isn't illegal in Va.
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