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Old 09-26-2011, 21:47   #161
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I have seen many a gray man give them selves away by trying to carry someplace they can not by law.

Example: I was at a amusement park last year that sells alcohol, and I watched a few people walk to the gate see the sign and turn back for there cars.
now if some one else sees this they can figure on a few things.
A: You now have no gun.
B: They no where to find a unattended gun in a car.
C: There is a good chance you will not be back to that car for a few hours.

Its best to know your laws as well as you can so don't give yourself away.
I agree. The gray man concept is a great one. This is an excellent thread that needs some new exposure and input.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:48   #162
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Thank you for the info, I appreciate it.

So basically this guy would be Captain Obvious:

Carry Issues

I have to admit I did not get the vest thing until you said it, even after having seen the movie. However now that I think about it, last time I was at the range, most of the staff there had vests on and they were not part of a uniform.

While I enjoy fire arms I do not enjoy CC; it is an odd thing I had to pick up, for work. My office is in a rough part of town and I am often the first and last person here and we have had some issues.

So if I wanted to CC and be completely grey, how and where would be the best place to hide the fire arm and still have reasonable access to it?

Currently I don't have tactical anything, generally wear Birkenstock, shorts and a fishing shirt....but I do and have carried a knife with a clip for 15 years.
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Old 09-27-2011, 13:36   #163
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A lot of useful info... has definitely got me thinking. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this so far!
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Old 09-27-2011, 13:50   #164
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Thanks for the article. Made me think. I have the tendency to check my shirt, to be certain it is covering the gun. A little to much. I've been trying to nip it in the bud.
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Old 09-28-2011, 14:18   #165
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At the risk of being redundant, I would also include bumper stickers. Pro-nra, You can take my gun from my cold dead hand, etc. They basically beg thieves to break into your car and cops to pull you over.
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Old 09-28-2011, 19:21   #166
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At the risk of being redundant, I would also include bumper stickers. Pro-nra, You can take my gun from my cold dead hand, etc. They basically beg thieves to break into your car and cops to pull you over.
My experiences say differently.

Plus I have always believed that, generally speaking, a belief (or knowledge) that you possess firearms will increase the chances somebody tries to break in/steal from you when you are NOT there while decreasing the chances of the same while you are present. I would take that tradeoff.
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Old 09-28-2011, 19:24   #167
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At the risk of being redundant, I would also include bumper stickers. Pro-nra, You can take my gun from my cold dead hand, etc. They basically beg thieves to break into your car and cops to pull you over.
All depends on where you live.
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:12   #168
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I have a hard time fitting the "gray man" role, but not necessarily by choice. My tshirt collection consists of shirts from a few of my favorite metal bands, and Harley Davidson shirts. Where I have a hard time being the "gray man" comes from my size. I'm not usually the tallest man in the room, but I am usually the biggest, usually. If I'm in the gun store or the Harley shop, I won't typically get a second look from people, but when I go strolling through Chuck E Cheese with my kids in tow, I get a few stares from the soccer moms. I don't walk around with a smug look on my face or with a "Come at me Bro" attitude, but my size and how I look(shaved head, goatee but no tattoos or piercings) are usually enough to garner a few looks from people.

I'm polite and respectful to others when out and about, I hold doors for people of either sex, not because I'm carrying and want to look friendly so people don't suspect I'm carrying, but because its how I was raised. My behavior around other people is the same whether carrying or not. If a person has to act differently when carrying, you have to wonder why a gun would change a persons attitude and demeanor. Shouldn't we as adults be behaving in a respectful manner anyways?

Becoming "gray" or blending in so to speak, is more about how you act and carry yourself rather than whether or not your wearing Dockers and Polo shirts everywhere you go. Choosing proper gear, ie gun belt, holster, gun, iwb,owb, carry position on your body, are all things that we should take into consideration when wanting to be completely concealed, but that isn't where it ends.

Just my $.02, and as always ladies and gentlemen, YMMV. Carry on.
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:19   #169
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Like always the comment was taken out of context. I see a lot of people on this site overreacting and getting carried away with an idea. Look at my original comment and you will see that what I said is some people do see it as a game but to a street thug it is life all the time.

Comments like ” when I walk in a mall I try and spot the person carrying” … me I don’t care who is carrying, I am more worried about the thug or shady character that is more likely to be trouble maker then some wanna-be cop or ccw holder. Does the average person go out of his way to spot people packing …NO… does a person of law enforcement …yes, like it is for a mechanic to see worn parts on a car, an engineer to see structural damage it is a part of the job.

I find the tread very entertaining and lots of useful info on how to carry without sticking out but to some it is just more fuel for the paranoia fire. I can’t enjoy life if I am always worried about the other guy and what he is doing
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Old 10-01-2011, 21:31   #170
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I just completed my CCW class today. I just now finished reading this entire thread and there are a lot of great points made. Very enlightening, thank you.
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I just completed my CCW class today. I just now finished reading this entire thread and there are a lot of great points made. Very enlightening, thank you.
Strong join date to post count. Is that how long it takes to get a carry license in Cali?
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Old 10-01-2011, 21:41   #172
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Pretty much.

Actually, I've been Glockless for a number of years. I just bought a G36 to carry and I thought it was time to check back in.
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Old 10-01-2011, 22:58   #173
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Great thread, and a lot of good food for thought.

For me, blending in isn't much of an option. Aside from my tats, I carry a pretty noticeable collection of scars on my face/head. I tend to stand out a wee bit wherever I go. So I don't really bother trying to be grey, be a waste of time. If anything, the fact that I'm polite and nice(holding doors, etc.) to strangers gets me more strange looks than anything else. Guess people expect someone who looks like I do, to be a prick, or up to no good.

That being said... I do not in any way 'advertise' my weapon. No Tac pants, gun logo clothing, etc... I wear the same type of clothing I always have, loose fit jeans & t-shirt, and sneakers. I'm always aware of my surroundings, but I don't scout or prowl when I'm out & about.

Seen my share of "mall ninjas" though, can't help but chuckle every time. And worry a bit too. They always strike me as the type who is just itching for some s**t to go down, so they can whip out their 1911 & go Rambo on some BGs.

I carry, and will not hesitate to ventilate ANYONE who tries to hurt innocent people. But I hope to God I never have to. Regardless of the reason, taking someone's life is not something I relish the thought of.
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Old 10-02-2011, 12:30   #174
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I have seen many a gray man give them selves away by trying to carry someplace they can not by law.

Example: I was at a amusement park last year that sells alcohol, and I watched a few people walk to the gate see the sign and turn back for there cars.
now if some one else sees this they can figure on a few things.
A: You now have no gun.
B: They no where to find a unattended gun in a car.
C: There is a good chance you will not be back to that car for a few hours.

Its best to know your laws as well as you can so don't give yourself away.
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Good point. I have had that happen to me a time or two. When it does, I'll usually grab my cell phone like it just vibrated, and pretend to take a call that requires me to leave, or at least go back to my car. I'll tell any folks with me that I have to take care of the call, and to go on in without me.

Not perfect, but usually plausible misdirection.
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Old 10-02-2011, 18:41   #175
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Interesting posts in this thread. I have tried almost everything and my most "delicate" carrying environment is work. I used to carry a G30 in a CBST and unfortunately got made twice by people that patted my gun when saying hello.
The solution I found was to use a smartcarry holster. Some people might notice an oversized bulge but nobody has asked :-). I generally carry a G36 or an SP101. When really deep concealment or formal attire is required, the 642 gets the carry role.
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:31   #176
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Bug,

Good point. I have had that happen to me a time or two. When it does, I'll usually grab my cell phone like it just vibrated, and pretend to take a call that requires me to leave, or at least go back to my car. I'll tell any folks with me that I have to take care of the call, and to go on in without me.

Not perfect, but usually plausible misdirection.
Simple, yet effective diversion! Thank you for the tip!

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Old 11-28-2011, 00:42   #177
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For warmer weather I use the concealment T under a light shirt (usually Hawaiian style, that reeks of 'tourist'..In the cooler months I use a hip holster, either IWB or OWB depending on what my activities for the day are going to be. As for being aware without looking aware, well I like to look aware! The thugs in my city are punks who look for soft targets and I don't want to give them false hope that if they try to mug me they will be returning home any time soon.....

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Old 12-10-2011, 17:42   #178
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I think to each his own.

I live out in the sticks in a rural small town about 60 miles from a large city. I adapt my clothing as needed. Where I live hunting, fishing, and outdoor activities and outdoor clothing are common.

My choice is to be subtle, but I sometimes wear a "Looper" belt when carrying. It's a plain brown heavy leather belt with a plain buckle -- doesn't look like an obvious gun belt.

Now my wife lost her citizenship papers and we had to go to Immigration (Homeland Security) in the city to start the process to obtain the new papers. Of course I wasn't carrying when we went in -- more security than an airport and three armed guards all carrying Smith M & P's .40 cal.

They told us to remove all metal, remove billfold, etc. I took my belt off and put it on the conveyor belt. Then one guard ask me, "Do you have a concealed carry permit?" I answered him -- "yes sir, but I'm not stupid and am not carrying now." He said NO problem go on through.

While my wife was taking care of her business I went back up to the check in point, and it was slow, and I started talking to the guards. I asked the guard how he knew I had a permit and he said it was from the Looper belt. He said the only people who wear those are off duty LEO's and concealed carry permit holders. I told him he was very observant and if he worked for me I'd give him two weeks off with pay. We laughed about it, and about a week later I saw him at the range where I shoot sometimes when down in that city.

Out here where I live it's like country. I have my own two shooting ranges and everyone packs. When we go out to eat or to shop in a larger town I will dress different and carry a different piece.

When out walking I carry the LCP or Smith 36. When in the city it's a Glock 23 or 26 carried IWB. Plain vests without sleeves over a long sleeved shirt are very common here, even in the city as this is cowboy country so a winter concealment is easy.

Summertime, it's usually a wife beater undershirt and nice shirt one size larger than needed (some kind of print, but not real loud) with tail out and jeans. I don't stand out.

I'm the former Police Commissioner here and I don't go in for the tactical stuff unless I'm shooting with some LEO's, or doing some training, or out in the woods.

I'll wear the tactical stuff only if it's practical -- no Glock hats, jackets, etc. except when out on my range or in the woods -- never when just out and about.

I'm 63 years old and that helps and I carry everywhere that's legal.

When I go out, I look on it as a skill to go as unnoticed as possible. That's just my choice.

That guard at homeland security taught me a good lesson. I had on Dockers, loafers, nice shirt tucked in and the belt does not stick out (except to a LEO in that particular situation). These belts are made locally and the brand name is well known so I could wear this belt in some other state and probably go unnoticed.

Just my thoughts, and great thread.........

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Old 01-10-2012, 17:10   #179
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Informative thread. Lots of points to consider.

I try to remain concealed but I don't advertise it either. I try to stay aware of my surroundings and not look like a target. Its a balancing act.

I typically wear jeans or cargo shorts with t shirts as often as possible.

I stay away from the 5.11 style stuff. Its just too obvious. Shame that Merrills have fallen in favor with those guys because now they're obvious around here too. Sucks because they're seriously comfortable shoes. Lol!
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:21   #180
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After reading some of this thread I am wondering why anyone would care if they look like they're carrying? Why do you feel that you must blend in?

All I care about is that I'm concealed to the point it's not illegal so people don't call the cops on me. I do happen to be a cop too, but I really don't care if people think I am when off duty or not.
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