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Old 09-01-2011, 21:13   #1
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Surprised at SWAT Magazine's Briefing Room..

Considering what I've read here regarding the Tucson Swat Team that shot the Marine, I'm stunned by Denny Hansen's piece in the latest (October) issues of SWAT Magazine.

Considering his primary audience, and after mentioning that the SWAT Team was exonerated, taking his position that the first SWAT member that fired a shot should be fired just makes no sense.

Anybody else surprised by this, or am I missing something?
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:18   #2
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Typo? "should have fired"
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:14   #3
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SWAT magazine should be titled Mall Ninja News. If you are getting LE news or advice from there-stop. Try Law Officer, Police, or Law & Order. The FBI bulletin while dry and management oriented is more useful. The only thing in there worth looking at is the gun porn. IIRC the Hansens (father and son team) are in security.

Now if we were talking CATO (not the insititue but the org) or NTOA I would listen but not SWAT magazine.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:47   #4
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SWAT magazine should be titled Mall Ninja News. If you are getting LE news or advice from there-stop. Try Law Officer, Police, or Law & Order. The FBI bulletin while dry and management oriented is more useful. The only thing in there worth looking at is the gun porn. IIRC the Hansens (father and son team) are in security.

Now if we were talking CATO (not the insititue but the org) or NTOA I would listen but not SWAT magazine.
I remember taking a class taught by Sheriff Ken Campbell who stated that SWAT magazine was the only gun rag he went by. Seems times have changed (that was ten years ago).
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:54   #5
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I've met Denny a couple of times. He used to be a Yavapai County deputy. I don't know what Flint does. Ashley is nice.

That said, he's playing to his base. If you think that's LE, your fooling yourself.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:55   #6
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Don't know why anyone would be surprised by the direction of SWAT magazine. The writing was on the wall when they gave Stuart Rhodes ( founder of "oathkeepers") a column to spread his views with.

I used to read SWAT occasionally but once they gave Rhodes a platform I stopped reading it at all.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:08   #7
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SWAT magazine is not involved with any real police work, contrary to what they may write. Yes, Campbell and Pat Rogers are contributors but that did little to keep me as a reader and one time subscriber.

And yes, Hansen and his boy can flap out their tin whenever they want to pretend to be part of copland. But the reality is that they and the publisher have an increasingly anti-cop tilt. And yes, Rhodes was the tipping point for me as well.

Which is why American Cop is the only magazine I subscribe to any more.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:15   #8
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SWAT magazine is not involved with any real police work, contrary to what they may write. Yes, Campbell and Pat Rogers are contributors but that did little to keep me as a reader and one time subscriber.
Same here. They seem to have gone off the deep end. They have an occasional good article (I even have a buddy who is a contributer), but it is not worth wading through the rest of the crap to try and fine one. I gave up on them last year.

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Which is why American Cop is the only magazine I subscribe to any more.
Ugh. Sorry, I can't agree with you on that one. I tried it for the first year, but could not stand it any longer. It seems as though it is written for children. Lots of bright shiny pictures and cartoons with articles that are only one or two paragraphs long. Each issue is apparently required to have the mandatory "supervisors are bad" article; "feds are bad" article" and "detectives are lazy" article. And when a reader wrote in to take issue with some of the foul language, the editor's response was basically, "We are cops, so we curse.". I think it is unfortunate because the magazine had a lot of potential when it started out. Just my opinion (which, along with $7.39, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks).
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:57   #9
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Used to like American Police Beat. Then I learned all about evil unions and saw the underlying liberal tone in APB. Haven't read an issue since.
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Old 09-02-2011, 13:16   #10
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Ugh. Sorry, I can't agree with you on that one. I tried it for the first year, but could not stand it any longer. It seems as though it is written for children. Lots of bright shiny pictures and cartoons with articles that are only one or two paragraphs long. Each issue is apparently required to have the mandatory "supervisors are bad" article; "feds are bad" article" and "detectives are lazy" article. And when a reader wrote in to take issue with some of the foul language, the editor's response was basically, "We are cops, so we curse.". I think it is unfortunate because the magazine had a lot of potential when it started out. Just my opinion (which, along with $7.39, will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks).
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I have to agree. There were some good things in the first couple issues, and I don't mind coarse language, but there was so much stereotypical "patrol sucks, admin sucks, feds suck, IA sucks, detectives suck" knuckledragging crap that I lost interest. It seemed like it was meant to be written like it was locker room talk. Don't know what it's like now.

I really tire of any of the blanket cop-bashing-by-cops in almost any setting. Whether it's bashing admin, bashing detectives, bashing certain agencies, or types of agencies ("all that a trooper knows how to do is..."), it doesn't help the brotherhood out.
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Police Product News was a good magazine back in the day, before it became Police. Good articles, more in depth than most others that followed, useful information. Someone should revive it.

On the other hand, the internet offers far more information than a magazine can, easy discussion, and the ability to vet the author's qualifications.
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Old 09-02-2011, 13:27   #12
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On the other hand, the internet offers far more information than a magazine can, easy discussion, and the ability to vet the author's qualifications.
Yep.

I put a lot more stock in a forum "review" where a handful of guys say in two or three sentences that they liked something or didn't like something than in a hundred pages of paid reviews.
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Whatever happened to "Police Marksman"? That was one of my favs.
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Old 09-02-2011, 14:50   #15
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Typo? "should have fired"
Not sure what you mean..

I was going from memory, regarding what Denny said exactly.. but here's the quote:

"All of the officers involved have been absolved of any wrongdoing."

then, the next line is:

"To my way of thinking, the officer who had a "misfire" should be charged with negligent homicide, as his ineptitude caused the ensuing fusillade. At the very least, he should be fired by his department. The officers whoclaimed to have seen mussle flashes should be fired or severly reprimanded for lying."





As far as I'm concerned, Denny and his son should stick to doing backpack reviews..
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Old 09-02-2011, 15:10   #16
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Then I learned all about evil unions and saw the underlying liberal tone in APB. Haven't read an issue since.
Yep. Sad part is, they are affiliated with OfficerResource, which I visit. But when I took the editor to task on some overtly liberal/Democrat articles, the response was typical for a leftist hugging type. They lost me as a subscriber as well, even when it was being mailed to the PD for free.

Don't necessarily agree with you Gonzo. The saving grace, however, is that it's written by real cops and, in all fairness, edited by some people I knew indirectly from my San Diego days.
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Don't necessarily agree with you Gonzo. The saving grace, however, is that it's written by real cops and, in all fairness, edited by some people I knew indirectly from my San Diego days.
No sweat, Morris. We can surely respectfully agree to disagree. I just wish they would quit sending to me. I have not paid for a subscription in two years, but they just keep sending it anyway, apparently for free. Can't be very profitable.
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Old 09-02-2011, 22:46   #18
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Whatever happened to "Police Marksman"? That was one of my favs.
I think it is still around. A few years ago an officer in my department used their "shots fired" section as a training aid. It was good enough I wanted to get it but found their website hard to navigate and I think they wanted a check via snail mail. I'll have to try again.
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Not sure what you mean..

As far as I'm concerned, Denny and his son should stick to doing backpack reviews..
I was referring to this portion of your post: "the first SWAT member that fired a shot should be fired". My comment was that the line should have read: "the first SWAT member that fired a shot should HAVE fired".

Obviously, I wasn't there but based on what I've read about the incident, suggesting the officer should not have fired is ridiculous.
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SWAT mag, is a cops comic book, and a poor one, at that...
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