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Old 09-18-2011, 02:13   #1
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Legal/financial assistance after a shooting

I recently did some research on services that offer assistance with the legal bills associated with any charges that might arise from a legal use of deadly force. Since many gun owners I have talked to do not even know this exists, I thought others here might be interested in what I found.

I went with the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network (www.armedcitizensnetwork.org) because it has immediate payout and comprehensive coverage and only costs $85 per year.

If you are legally carrying your gun and have to use it in self-defense, but for some reason you get charged, they will immediately provide up to $10,000 fee deposit to the member's attorney (can also help in finding a pro-gun atty). This gets paid ASAP to get the legal defense immediately underway (they have a 24hour phone number) so you can have representation during questioning. I think it also covers the use of a knife in self-defense.

They can also arrange for an independent investigation of the incident while it's still fresh.

They offer case review by a self-defense expert (Massad Ayoob and other experts of similar quality are available through the program) at no charge and they offer consultation about defense strategies when requested. So if you are not sure your lawyer is handling things correctly, they can help keep the defense of your case on the right track by offering him/her expert advice on how to proceed based on what has worked in other cases in which the defendant (you) is actually innocent (not something most defense attys actually get very often - if at all - and the defense of an innocent person gets handled very differently than the case of a guilty person that is saying they are innocent).

They can provide grants of financial assistance for members facing criminal prosecution or civil action after a self-defense shooting.

And they offer loads of educational materials in their members-only section, nice discounts on their books/DVD's, etc. and have a monthly journal that is packed with info.

Most of the other orgs I looked at offered potential reimbursement of your fees after a case review. Meaning you have to pay up front and if they think your case is justified, they *might* pay your fees. I also found info on line (message boards) from customers of one of the orgs that said that once you join, you get a lot of emails about other products and specials and "in your face" marketing that is hard to stop (which ACLDN doesn't do). I don't know if that's true or not, but more than one person said it on the message boards I found.

My husband and I have been members for a few months and I have been happy with the org. I have contacted them a few times with questions and they have been quick to respond, knowledgeable and easy to work with.

As with any "insurance" type policy, I hope I never need them. But I feel better knowing I can call on them if the SHTF at 2 am and I need legal representation in a hurry, no matter where my travels might take me.

I suggest everyone that carrys (or has a gun that they think they might use for self-defense) does their own research into what is available. The courts and legal system is really a mess and you never know what prosecutor will have a bug up their arse about gun use, even if it's as clear cut a case of self-defense as could be imagined. Just because you think it wouldn't happen in YOUR state/area doesn't mean you might not have a need to use your gun in another area (unless you're a hermit).

They cannot offer assistance after an incident has occured unless you were already a member. So don't wait to look into this unless you have thousands of dollars at your disposal for your defense.

Other than being a new member, I'm not affiliated with this org. I just wanted everyone to know it exists and what it can offer in the form of piece of mind and real help if/when you need it.

Anyone else have first hand experience with any of the other similar orgs?
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Old 09-18-2011, 07:18   #2
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Never heard of anything like it, seems like a good idea though.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:16   #3
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I think it is! You just never know what might happen and I don't have loads of $$ to mount a good defense if I'm charged when I've done nothing wrong just because some anti-gunner prosecutor has a bone to pick. At least with this coverage and expert support, I feel better about my chances of staying out of jail when I haven't commited a crime.
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Old 02-04-2012, 15:34   #4
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I'm thinking about joining also...thanks for posting!
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Old 02-04-2012, 15:49   #5
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I think GOA or SAF will help existing members, but not sure.

I think this is something that everyone should think about, and think this type of insurance is a great idea.

Call 911, say you need police and ambulance because someone has been shot. Once help gets there, the only thing to say at the scene is that you need to go to the hospital, call lawyer from hospital.

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Old 02-04-2012, 16:24   #6
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Is this the insurance offered by CC Magazine? Also, does it cover your spouse, or do they need their own policy?
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Old 02-04-2012, 18:47   #7
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I've wanted a good lawyer for this reason for years. However, every time I talked to someone knowledgeable enough to know of one the conversation always ends the same "this is who I went with but they aren't in town/practicing anymore".

I'd gladly pay $85/yr. for an excellent legal defense. Hell, if I live another 50yrs or so, that's only $4200...now I'm sure the price will go up in the future but still...no way you're getting good representation for $4K nowadays...

Thing is, I've seen many SD shoots around here and none of the DA's have even hinted at prosecuting them. In fact, they are VERY quick to say the shooting was justified. Two weeks ago three teens knocked an older guy off his bike and proceeded to kick the piss out of him and then rob him. He pulled out a gun, killed one, wounded another and the other guy and the wounded one was immediately charged. THAT is how the law should work!! Not me, the good guy, having to worry about the criminal getting sympathy!

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Old 02-05-2012, 00:49   #8
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Thing is, I've seen many SD shoots around here and none of the DA's have even hinted at prosecuting them. In fact, they are VERY quick to say the shooting was justified. Two weeks ago three teens knocked an older guy off his bike and proceeded to kick the piss out of him and then rob him. He pulled out a gun, killed one, wounded another and the other guy and the wounded one was immediately charged. THAT is how the law should work!! Not me, the good guy, having to worry about the criminal getting sympathy!

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Why wouldn't you get general legal insurance and then lookup the lawyers that have successfully defended murder/manslaughter charges because those are the charges you will face, if charged.
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Old 02-05-2012, 18:06   #10
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At $7 per month, this seems like a great investment. It's not clear whether you have to repay the $10,000, but I think it's part of the insurance. Either way, the $10,000 up front retainer is a great deal (most people aren't going to have that liquidity).
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Old 02-05-2012, 18:20   #11
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What I do is find out who the lawyers that cover LE for the FOP insurance and keep one on retainer. Yeah, it may cost me more if I ever have to shoot someone, but I have enough faith in my ability to not do something stupid and the good sense of my fellow redneck jurors.
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Old 02-05-2012, 18:34   #12
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Great info. Thanks for sharing. Certainly something to look into.


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What I do is find out who the lawyers that cover LE for the FOP insurance and keep one on retainer. Yeah, it may cost me more if I ever have to shoot someone, but I have enough faith in my ability to not do something stupid and the good sense of my fellow redneck jurors.
As I've said the local DA is a friend of the family. I almost want to ask him...which lawyers do you really hate going up against for SD/Lethal force cases.

But again, there's not been ANYONE prosecuted for the issue in a LONG time around here. Everyone's puckered for the first day or two while they investigate but usually it's fairly obvious if it was a drug deal gone bad or a forcible felony against John Q CCWer that called for lethal force.

Something else that is good that the media should be applauded for is that they do NOT publish the shooter's name. Good! Less retaliation the person has to worry about. I know personally, I want the POS's name, their address and then I'll know exactly who to worry about and where to....tell the cops to go...should I have any trouble in the future.

I don't want random scum from a related set or family taking it personally. From what I know about the gangs I work with it would end VERY badly for them if they pulled that with CCWers around these parts.

There used to be a member here... RoadRep that was involved in a SD shoot and had to actually move to get away from the repeated attempts to kill him after the initial one because the gang took it personally. But his account was erased and the mods are VERY hush hush about keeping it that way.

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