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Old 09-19-2011, 08:57   #1
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Single EMP attack could send us back to 1800s.

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Most Americans do not know this, but a single EMP attack could potentially wipe out most of the electronics in the United States and instantly send this nation back to the 1800s. If a nuclear bomb was exploded high enough in the atmosphere over the middle part of the country, the electromagnetic pulse would fry electronic devices from coast to coast. The damage would be millions of times worse than 9/11. Just imagine a world where nobody has power, most cars will not start, the Internet has been fried, the financial system is offline indefinitely, nobody can make any phone calls and virtually all commerce across the entire country is brought to a complete stop. A nation that does not know how to live without technology would be almost entirely stripped of it at that point. Yes, this could really happen. An EMP attack is America's "Achilles heel", and everyone around the world knows it. It is only a matter of time before someone uses an EMP weapon against us, and at this point we are pretty much completely unprepared.
It amazes me that we are one step away from being thrown back to 1800s' lifestyle.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:16   #2
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1800s? Ummm, no.

The chief difference being that we know what's possible and how to make it so. Knowledge doesn't evaporate, skills don't fry.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:39   #3
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I remember in Ocean's 11 they set a device off to rob a Casino. The lights came back on pretty quick so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:45   #4
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I don't know that it would be that far of a throwback. Electronics that run on vacuum tubes would have a good chance of surviving. Old vehicles with breaker point ignitions and carburetors too.

It would definitely cause a lot of chaos in the major cities at the onset.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:45   #5
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It amazes me that we are one step away from being thrown back to 1800s' lifestyle.
What? No Internet!

I don't think we could survive.

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Old 09-19-2011, 09:47   #6
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Temporary 1800's, possibly, but temporary only very short-term imo; just too much knowledge as Sam Spade points out, and too much 'stuff' for it to absolutely all be wiped out. Some stuff would survive unharmed, and that 'stuff' combined with the knowledge of how the stuff is made, would mean that more 'stuff' is quickly repaired & back online.

I wouldn't expect more than a few days' or a few weeks' disruption at most. A lot can happen in a few days or weeks, though, so it's still an ugly premise imo.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:11   #7
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It amazes me that we are one step away from being thrown back to 1800s' lifestyle.

Except we do not have a working 1800's infrastructure.

No infrastructure.......no lifestyle.

Ice delivery (for ice boxes), milk delivery, etc

Self sustaining communities simply do not exist like they did!


On a personal level, how many here have access to a hand pumped water well?

Horse drawn wagon?

A home that is comfortable in summer & winter without HVAC?

A root cellar stocked with canned goods?

An outhouse?
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:18   #8
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It amazes me that we are one step away from being thrown back to 1800s' lifestyle.
The 1800's wouldn't be so bad... the Amish seem to manage.

EMP is not a new idea. The military has been hardening all their electronics against it for years.

Any country who sets off an emp device over the USA would regret it.
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Key word: COULD.

Too much unknown. A suicide run for the perp. Really winging it.
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:46   #10
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Probably not 1880s. The feds did a report on EMP a couple years ago. They found that while an EMP would cause major problems, it is not the end of the world. For example most modern vehicles are not as vulnerable as people believe. In tests, only about 10% of the vehicles were knocked out and some of them were able to be restarted. I'll try and find a link to the report.

If you want to be bummed out, go read the book, One Second After. Tis a novel about what happens in an EMP strike. Not entirely accurate but it will scare the heck out of you.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:15   #11
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Except we do not have a working 1800's infrastructure.

No infrastructure.......no lifestyle.

Ice delivery (for ice boxes), milk delivery, etc
No ice but Goat milk fresh every day, eggs too - check
Self sustaining communities simply do not exist like they did!


On a personal level, how many here have access to a hand pumped water well?
Hand pump for the well - check.
Horse drawn wagon?
Three horses actually - check
A home that is comfortable in summer & winter without HVAC?
Wood burning heat - check
A root cellar stocked with canned goods?
Canned goods - check
An outhouse?
The great outdoors - check
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:17   #12
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Probably not 1880s. The feds did a report on EMP a couple years ago. They found that while an EMP would cause major problems, it is not the end of the world. For example most modern vehicles are not as vulnerable as people believe. In tests, only about 10% of the vehicles were knocked out and some of them were able to be restarted. I'll try and find a link to the report.

If you want to be bummed out, go read the book, One Second After. Tis a novel about what happens in an EMP strike. Not entirely accurate but it will scare the heck out of you.
I have the book with me.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:24   #13
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I personally believe that the size and true effectiveness of EMP's are really overblown. Im not really convinced they can cause the mass destruction of electrical devices that most people believe.

On the other hand im sure Japan never believed it was possible that one bomb cold destroy one city in WWII.

I think this falls in the "Ill believe it when i see it" category, but I am all for discussion and preparedness so I think its still worth examining.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:30   #14
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More likely.. one or two EMP over each coast.. it'll cover the most population. Also 1 possibly over Chicago/Atlanta/Dallas areas... if it didn't shut us down for good, whoever did it will be reaping their own doom though..
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EMP = not the boogyman.


powerful, and dangerous? yes.

1 second after, EOTWAWKI? Not even close.
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Except we do not have a working 1800's infrastructure.

No infrastructure.......no lifestyle.

Ice delivery (for ice boxes), milk delivery, etc

Self sustaining communities simply do not exist like they did!


On a personal level, how many here have access to a hand pumped water well?

Horse drawn wagon?

A home that is comfortable in summer & winter without HVAC?

A root cellar stocked with canned goods?

An outhouse?
I agree with most of what you say and like most am in awe of many of your assets and value your opinion.

But I just don't agree that EMP will have such a long lasting and all encompassing effect as you do. I have read many studies on it as well and the effect on cars and simple engines just don't seem like that big a deal.

Now, the electrical grid itself, (power plants/transformers/sub stations/etc.) I agree, will suffer greatly. but I just don't see a plunge into the 1800's.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:41   #17
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I remember in Ocean's 11 they set a device off to rob a Casino. The lights came back on pretty quick so I wouldn't worry about it.
I wouldn't get scientific knowho from a movie, let alone any of the Ocean's series.
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If a nuclear bomb was exploded high enough in the atmosphere over the middle part of the country, the electromagnetic pulse would fry electronic devices from coast to coast.

I hate to say but, If a nuc that large exploded over the US. Your cell phone not working would be the least of your problems. At that point we would all be seeing our creator.
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Except we do not have a working 1800's infrastructure.

No infrastructure.......no lifestyle.

Ice delivery (for ice boxes), milk delivery, etc

Self sustaining communities simply do not exist like they did!


On a personal level, how many here have access to a hand pumped water well?

Horse drawn wagon?

A home that is comfortable in summer & winter without HVAC?

A root cellar stocked with canned goods?

An outhouse?
Except the horse drawn part.

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I agree with most of what you say and like most am in awe of many of your assets and value your opinion.

But I just don't agree that EMP will have such a long lasting and all encompassing effect as you do. I have read many studies on it as well and the effect on cars and simple engines just don't seem like that big a deal.

Now, the electrical grid itself, (power plants/transformers/sub stations/etc.) I agree, will suffer greatly. but I just don't see a plunge into the 1800's.
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I wouldn't get scientific knowho from a movie, let alone any of the Ocean's series.
Um, I think the original comment was using a slight bit of sarcasm....
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