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Old 09-20-2011, 17:28   #1
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How does the .45 Long Colt compare to the .45 Acp?

As far as effectiveness?
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Old 09-20-2011, 17:45   #2
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Old 09-20-2011, 17:55   #3
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The 45colt had & still has a good rep as a manstopper. A soft, blunt 255gr lead bullet @ 900fps COM is pretty decisive, always has been. I would rate it better than ball ammo in the 45acp, also a decent stopper for FMJ, but doesn't crush enough tissue. Both do better w/ some kind of expansion, bigger bullets, bigger holes, faster blood loss.
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Old 09-20-2011, 18:00   #4
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wish someone would make a 5 shot snub for 45 long.
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Old 09-20-2011, 18:47   #5
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I think Taurus made some 5 shot .45 Colts before they got caught up in the Judge fad and put so much of their manufacturing capacity into those mutants.
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Old 09-20-2011, 19:46   #6
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With all of its case volume, it's pretty easy to get a .45 Colt to push a 250 or 255 grain bullet the same speed as the .45 auto can push a 230. One way of thinking of it anyway...

There's also a whole different level of .45 Colt if you have a frame strong enough to handle it (read Blackhawk). I have a handload that sends a 250 XTP at just under 1,200 fps, and I'm nowhere near the top end of the data. Call it .44 mag territory.

In the factory world, you'll find "+P" .45 Colt ammo that is designed for the really tough framed guns. Buffalo Bore has a few options, for sure.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=8

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Old 09-20-2011, 20:48   #7
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Most factory ammo is loaded about the same, but 45 Colt has WAY more power potential.
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Old 09-21-2011, 00:54   #8
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wish someone would make a 5 shot snub for 45 long.

They do in .44 Special which IMO is a more versatile cartridge.


If you're not a handloader then skip a revolver in .45 Colt as factory ammo is notoriously impotent and you'll go broke shooting "boutique" specialty ammo.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:14   #9
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They do in .44 Special which IMO is a more versatile cartridge.


If you're not a handloader then skip a revolver in .45 Colt as factory ammo is notoriously impotent and you'll go broke shooting "boutique" specialty ammo.
I'll agree with the second part of your statement, but I have to disagree with the first.

I have a .45 Colt cowboy load that shoots a 200 grain lrn 800 fps, a lead and jhp standard pressure load (255 at 850 and a 250 at 870 respectively), the aforementioned 250 XTP just under 1,200 and a 300 grain XTPmag load a hair over 1,000 fps.


Sure, .44 special can be loaded light or to Elmer Keith levels, but that's essentially maxing out somewhere around .45 Super levels. Again, the .45 Colt easily gets into .44 mag range (don't try these loads in a single action army clone).

Here's a great writeup on the subject.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:50   #10
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You never hear too many recommendations to use 45 acp on bears.
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Thanks for your responses! I was actually wondering if they wouldn't be very similar if you put a modern bullet design in the .45 LC. I would think you could load a round that would make them pretty similar in performance if you knew what you were doing with reloading. I am not sure because I don't reload, but it is sounding better all the time.
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Old 09-21-2011, 15:23   #12
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Anything the 45ACP cartridge can do the 45 Colt can do better because there is room for more powder, (except fit into smaller guns).
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...reason being it was originally a black powder cartridge.
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Old 09-21-2011, 22:23   #14
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If you want to get the whole .45 Colt experience, get a Ruger Blackhawk, a Thompson Contender or a Freedom Arms.

Ruger sells a Blackhawk Convertible with a .45 Colt and a .45 auto cylinder...

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Old 09-21-2011, 22:25   #15
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I think Taurus made some 5 shot .45 Colts before they got caught up in the Judge fad and put so much of their manufacturing capacity into those mutants.
Why not just get the Judge or Governor I dont see any reason you have to use anything but 45lc in them.
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Old 09-21-2011, 22:30   #16
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:55   #18
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If you want to make a big and I do mean "big hole" in a BG just shoot a dead soft 200 gr FN bullet out of a 45 LC at about 950 fps! You'll be able to run your fist through the hole you'll make clean through! A soft 200 gr bullet in a 45 ACP will do about the same! But semi-autos don't run soft bullets well.
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:01   #19
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Why not just get the Judge or Governor I dont see any reason you have to use anything but 45lc in them.
Raging Judge will also handle .454 Casull in case you get bored.
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but I agree wholeheartedly...
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If you want to make a big and I do mean "big hole" in a BG just shoot a dead soft 200 gr FN bullet out of a 45 LC at about 950 fps! You'll be able to run your fist through the hole you'll make clean through! A soft 200 gr bullet in a 45 ACP will do about the same! But semi-autos don't run soft bullets well.
I set aside any lead softer than wheel weights for casting boolits for my .45 autos. Such a low pressure round, they work for me just fine.
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If you want to make a big and I do mean "big hole" in a BG just shoot a dead soft 200 gr FN bullet out of a 45 LC at about 950 fps! You'll be able to run your fist through the hole you'll make clean through! A soft 200 gr bullet in a 45 ACP will do about the same! But semi-autos don't run soft bullets well.
Very true, it's been doing the job for 100yrs+. If I lived in a non JHP state & wanted to carry the 45acp, I would load it w/ a soft LFP from the Lee mold. Huge meplate & cast 25-1 or 30-1 & pushed along @ 850fps, it's not likely stopping inside a BG & leave a huge tearing wound along the way.
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Old 09-23-2011, 14:38   #23
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We used to load 38 spl hollow base wad cutters upside down and the expanded very well at low velocities.


Not sure if anyone makes a hollow base wad cutter for the big 45 .... it might be awsome.
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I could never get good enough accuracy with soft bullets out my 45 ACP - seemed like the scratches they'd get loading would hurt the accuracy to much. Now I love what they did on target! I hit a jack bunny and sawed him in two! The 45 LC made them into jello!
Would absolutely vaporize them out of my Lever gun all the way out to 100 yards or so!
I recovered a couple bullets from the berm and they were almost an inch in diameter flat as a pancake!
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If you want to get the whole .45 Colt experience, get a Ruger Blackhawk, a Thompson Contender or a Freedom Arms.

Ruger sells a Blackhawk Convertible with a .45 Colt and a .45 auto cylinder...

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Great idea! I will put that on my wish list.
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