Off-Duty Survival – A Refresher

Ajon412 · 03-02-2012, 23:25

This is a good read for those that have been around a while and for those that are just getting started...

http://forums.officer.com/showthread...93-A-Refresher

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The shocking fact is that a reported 14% of LEO murders occur while the officer is off-duty, having the right mentality and tools available could help reduce this unacceptable number.

I was unaware that this number was so high...

Agent6-3/8 · 03-03-2012, 07:07

Good read, thanks for posting!

collim1 · 03-03-2012, 07:51

Carry your guns off duty guys! It makes me insane that officers are not carrying 24/7.

Even if its just a snubbie and a speed strip, or a LCP and a spare mag.

There is no excuse for not having a gun and a reload on you at all times.

Sharkey · 03-03-2012, 08:02

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Originally Posted by collim1

Carry your guns off duty guys! It makes me insane that officers are not carrying 24/7.

Not a unique story by any means but we had one of our guys walk with his fiance' at night to the store from their apt for something to drink and they got robbed at gunpoint.

Not only that but scroatbags have a long memory sitting in the pen.

Gun doesn't solve everything but it solves a lot especially with the right mindset.

DonGlock26 · 03-03-2012, 08:25

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Originally Posted by collim1

Carry your guns off duty guys! It makes me insane that officers are not carrying 24/7.

Even if its just a snubbie and a speed strip, or a LCP and a spare mag.

There is no excuse for not having a gun and a reload on you at all times.

I agree. Get a small firearm for 24/7 carry. If you can conceal your duty weapon, so much the better.

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tusk212 · 03-03-2012, 08:37

I get hazed for carrying a Glock 19 and a j-frame off duty by other officers. They ask me why I need that since we work in small towns. I tell them all the MORE reason to be prepared because everyone knows you and what you do.

TMNKWD · 03-03-2012, 08:47

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The shocking fact is that a reported 14% of LEO murders occur while the officer is off-duty, having the right mentality and tools available could help reduce this unacceptable number.

The number is actully less than 14%, but it's still surprising it's that high? You never get a lot of info on the specifics. Are they responding off-duty to an incident, working armed at another job, ambushed, etc.

PinkoCommie · 03-03-2012, 10:21

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Originally Posted by tusk212

I get hazed for carrying a Glock 19 and a j-frame off duty by other officers. They ask me why I need that since we work in small towns. I tell them all the MORE reason to be prepared because everyone knows you and what you do.

Eff them. You don't need to explain yourself to them. Be as prepared as you feel the need to be. Plan for war and hope for peace.

Ajon412 · 03-03-2012, 10:26

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Originally Posted by tusk212

I get hazed for carrying a Glock 19 and a j-frame off duty by other officers. They ask me why I need that since we work in small towns. I tell them all the MORE reason to be prepared because everyone knows you and what you do.

Amen to that, brother.....You have to remind those "non believers" that crap happens anywhere at anytime !!!!!! I can almost guarantee that most coppers that got involved off duty said, "It'll never happen to me"....

Ajon412 · 03-03-2012, 10:43

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Originally Posted by collim1

Carry your guns off duty guys! It makes me insane that officers are not carrying 24/7.

Even if its just a snubbie and a speed strip, or a LCP and a spare mag.

There is no excuse for not having a gun and a reload on you at all times.

+1......I've actually made it my mission and have been successful in convincing a few that I work with to at least carry "something". It's nice to see a few new LCP's or a dusted off J frame make it to the next "Q" cycle.....I even go as far as scheduling a range session if someone picks up a new off duty and doesn't want to wait until the next cycle to qualify...

kayl · 03-03-2012, 10:54

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Originally Posted by DonGlock26

I agree. Get a small firearm for 24/7 carry. If you can conceal your duty weapon, so much the better.

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+1
If you can't conceal a jframe, LCP, CM9, or other "mouse gun", you aren't trying.

I think you could conceal one of the above in a bathing suit

And concealing your duty weapon isn't that much harder with a good holster. No, you can't wear skin tight shirts or pants, but who cares?

CJStudent · 03-03-2012, 11:11

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Originally Posted by kayl

+1
If you can't conceal a jframe, LCP, CM9, or other "mouse gun", you aren't trying.

I think you could conceal one of the above in a bathing suit

And concealing your duty weapon isn't that much harder with a good holster. No, you can't wear skin tight shirts or pants, but who cares?

Exactly. My normal off-duty attire is jeans and a t-shirt or polo, and I regularly carry a Glock 23 and spare mag. Get a gun you can shoot well, a good holster, and get used to it. Hell, I'm not a real big guy (5'10", ~200lbs), and I've been able to easily conceal a full-size SIG P226 DAK in the same attire. I don't wear my clothes extra baggy, either.

PinkoCommie · 03-03-2012, 12:23

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Originally Posted by kayl

+1
If you can't conceal a jframe, LCP, CM9, or other "mouse gun", you aren't trying.

Preach it! I am 6'1" and 175 after a good meal. I carry a G26 ALWAYS, unless I am going to the pool. With something like an LCP, I'd probably carry to the pool, too.

tusk212 · 03-03-2012, 14:22

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Originally Posted by PinkoCommie

Eff them. You don't need to explain yourself to them. Be as prepared as you feel the need to be. Plan for war and hope for peace.

These are the same people who make comments about me carrying a 9mm on duty, but couldn't hit water in the middle of a lake and refuse to carry anything off duty.

ClydeG19 · 03-03-2012, 17:45

The Walmart, Shell station, Circle K, my bank, the building formerly known as blockbuster, and a Walmart gas station (before it was torn down) were all robbed in the 4.5 years I lived in my city of 12k. I've been all those places many times.

PinkoCommie · 03-03-2012, 19:39

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Originally Posted by tusk212

These are the same people who make comments about me carrying a 9mm on duty, but couldn't hit water in the middle of a lake and refuse to carry anything off duty.

They can argue calibers and tactics 'till the cows come home. When they walk into the store on their way home for a gallon of milk and find a gun pointed in their face, they can stick whatever caliber of thumb up their asses they want. You'll at least have something that can save your life, and maybe the life of an innocent bystander.

HeliGlock · 03-03-2012, 20:23

24/7 Carry at all times. You never know, Where & When.

Steve in PA · 03-03-2012, 20:48

A G-26 along with S&W 642 in an ankle holster are my off-duty standard carry.

Ajon412 · 03-20-2012, 10:41

Just as an update.....Here are a few additional articles regarding Off Duty carry.......STAY SAFE out there.....

http://www.policeone.com/columnists/...ff-duty-carry/

http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...ff-duty-carry/

Kadetklapp · 03-20-2012, 10:56

I've got to buy a decent off-duty gun. Sold all my small revolvers. I'm down to fists and a pocket knife.

Dexters · 03-20-2012, 11:33

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Originally Posted by TMNKWD

The number is actully less than 14%, but it's still surprising it's that high? You never get a lot of info on the specifics. Are they responding off-duty to an incident, working armed at another job, ambushed, etc.

When dealing with numbers we need more numbers - high or low compared to what? One number of comparison might be non LEOs killed while not at work.

The other thing we need to know about that number is did the LEO know the attacker - I don't mean a criminal looking for revenge. I'm more thinking about women and rape - a large part of women who are raped knew their attacker beforehand.

The other thing we don't know from that number is the trend - is it increasing or decreasing.

So that 14% might be high or low - we don't have enough information.

Presscheck40 · 03-20-2012, 12:01

.0001% is to high of a number. Compare what numbers lets just try to eliminate the number completely. Just my opinion.

Presscheck40

Steve in PA · 03-20-2012, 23:07

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Originally Posted by tusk212

I get hazed for carrying a Glock 19 and a j-frame off duty by other officers. They ask me why I need that since we work in small towns. I tell them all the MORE reason to be prepared because everyone knows you and what you do.

Glock 26 and S&W 642 here!

Islander-11 · 03-21-2012, 05:37

And let's not forget our physical training. Could you do a gun disarm if you turn around at the Stop 'n Rob and there's a gun in your face? If you train it, most likely yes. I'm sure I'm like most of you in that the last half-dozen fights I've been in, I've had a perfectly good gun on my hip...

DaBigBR · 03-21-2012, 07:28

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Originally Posted by Dexters

When dealing with numbers we need more numbers - high or low compared to what? One number of comparison might be non LEOs killed while not at work.

The other thing we need to know about that number is did the LEO know the attacker - I don't mean a criminal looking for revenge. I'm more thinking about women and rape - a large part of women who are raped knew their attacker beforehand.

The other thing we don't know from that number is the trend - is it increasing or decreasing.

So that 14% might be high or low - we don't have enough information.

Officers killed as part of some sort of domestic situation are not included. The majority of those that I see are officers intervening in a robbery or some other sort of problem that has nothing to do with their employment (including those being robbed themselves). The very small minority (so small we're not even seeing one a year) include those who are ambushed or otherwise confronted by a bad guy that knows them.