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Old 10-04-2011, 03:46   #1
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Off-duty officer thwarts robbery, shoots 4 suspects

.....Great job by the off duty.........I guess they picked the wrong victim...

http://www.policeone.com/off-duty/ar...ts-4-suspects/

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A struggle ensued, and the officer was able to wrestle control of the suspect’s handgun. There was another struggle, over another handgun in the employee’s waistband. The fourth suspect then entered the business to assist, even as the officer got control of the employee’s handgun and used it to shoot all four suspects.
...Outstanding work......

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A 16-year-old died at the scene. The other suspects, in their early 20s, are being treated for life-threatening injuries, Rockford police Chief Chet Epperson said.
....Too bad for the BG's / It sucks to be them...
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:20   #2
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Great job!!!!
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Old 10-04-2011, 05:10   #3
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Excellent shooting by the officer, but this is a prime example of why I think one should always carry 24/7. It could have went the other way had he not been able to bring a gun into play somehow. He should have had one on his person, IMHO.
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:01   #4
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I was thinking the other day, and honestly out of our 120 man dept I estimate about 10% carry a firearm period off-duty. Half of those carry a pocket pistol at best, Ruger LCP or jframe.

I think a LEO should carry a real handgun and a reload 24/7, I know I do.

Oh, and great job on the officers part, that is very impressive. I'd like to share a beat with that guy for a night.
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:08   #5
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Excellent shooting by the officer, but this is a prime example of why I think one should always carry 24/7. It could have went the other way had he not been able to bring a gun into play somehow. He should have had one on his person, IMHO.
I agree 100%. He should buy a lottery ticket because he was pretty lucky going 4 vs 2 and none of the good guys got hurt. Good on him!
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:10   #6
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I think a LEO should carry a real handgun and a reload 24/7, I know I do.
My thoughts and practice exactly, When I was a rookie I flirted with snubbies as primary off duty carry until one day I decided if tomorrow was the day I had to defend my life off duty I'd rather be doing it with a full size gun with extra reloads. From then on my off duty carry was what I carried on duty. ( Snub as a BUG off duty as well as on duty.)
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:42   #7
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:23   #8
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:31   #9
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I'm surprised to see that Chief Epperson is still in. I heard very bad things a long time back.

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Old 10-04-2011, 09:48   #10
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That off-duty cop was good no doubt. And tough. And lucky his friend had a sidearm the LEO could employ after a struggle over it. I hope the other three perps, as a result of their "life threatening wounds", have it as rough and brutally painful and horribly crippling as possible. I also pray that the justice system brings its full weight of special enhancements reigning down upon them. If they even survive.

Good shoot, Officer.

Nay, GREAT JOB, Officer.

Next time carry your own friggin gun, though.... (jes sayin)
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I agree 100 % with the "Always carry off duty" philosophy, but it was never mentioned or referenced if the OD was armed or not. Maybe he was, not sure and I don't want to read too much into the article. The perp might just have been "that close" (bad breath distance) and it was easier to try to gain control of the BG's weapon then to utilize his own, or he just "reacted" based on his training and/or experience. Either way, it turned out well for the good guys and "not so good" for the perps....
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I am betting if the officer in question was not carrying Off duty before, he is now.

Nothing like having an "Oh ****!!! moment to clarify ones perspective.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:12   #13
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I am betting if the officer in question was not carrying Off duty before, he is now.

Nothing like having an "Oh ****!!! moment to clarify ones perspective.

I don't know any more details that what has been published in the media...but word around here is that this guy's agency forbids off-duty carry.

If he was carrying...he could be looking at some sort of trick-bag.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:27   #14
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I don't know any more details that what has been published in the media...but word around here is that this guy's agency forbids off-duty carry.

If he was carrying...he could be looking at some sort of trick-bag.
What kind of numb nuts dick bag agency would forbid their officers from carrying off duty??? Then again, it is Illinois.

I'm glad it worked out the way it did. If indeed the agency forbids off duty carry, hopefully this incident will make them change that policy.
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Old 10-04-2011, 12:49   #15
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I don't know any more details that what has been published in the media...but word around here is that this guy's agency forbids off-duty carry.

If he was carrying...he could be looking at some sort of trick-bag.
Maybe this incident will change their minds......"EF" department policy, if that's the case....I'd rather violate policy and be alive after WINNING AN ARMED CONFRONTATION WITH FOUR PERPS then to "take a chance", follow policy and become a victim-officer....This OD copper had luck and/or training on his side. I wouldn't bet on it for the next time, but that's just me.....
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Old 10-04-2011, 13:24   #16
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What kind of numb nuts dick bag agency would forbid their officers from carrying off duty??? Then again, it is Illinois.

I'm glad it worked out the way it did. If indeed the agency forbids off duty carry, hopefully this incident will make them change that policy.
Well, it is Illinois... If they truly don't want their Off Duty LEO's carrying a firearm, then someone needs their butt kicked while off duty cops watch.

People talk about the crazy gun laws in California... on paper, Illinois has always looked worse to me.. but I wouldn't want to live in either.

Glad the Officer is ok.

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Old 10-04-2011, 13:43   #18
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People talk about the crazy gun laws in California... on paper, Illinois has always looked worse to me.. but I wouldn't want to live in either.

Glad the Officer is ok.

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Yeah, Kalifornia at least has a carry permit system, whether they issue them or not is another story. The weather is nicer in Kalifornia too.

As far as cops not carrying off duty, I texted a family member and asked him how many of his co workers carry off duty, and he said he'd be surprised if 10% of them do. He said most of them don't even own personal carry guns and that many of them believe "this is a safe city" and the odds of needing a gun off duty is so minimal that it isn't worth the hassle of carrying.

I wonder across the board what the percentage of cops don't carry off duty?
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Old 10-04-2011, 13:55   #19
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Yeah, Kalifornia at least has a carry permit system, whether they issue them or not is another story. The weather is nicer in Kalifornia too.

As far as cops not carrying off duty, I texted a family member and asked him how many of his co workers carry off duty, and he said he'd be surprised if 10% of them do. He said most of them don't even own personal carry guns and that many of them believe "this is a safe city" and the odds of needing a gun off duty is so minimal that it isn't worth the hassle of carrying.

I wonder across the board what the percentage of cops don't carry off duty?
To the first point, let me just say.......

These must be the same coppers who work "inside". Any road / patrol copper and /or corrections officer with half a brain and who deals with the dregs of society / bottom feeders and "victims" of crimes on a daily, heck even on a weekly basis can't really believe that "any" city is safe. No such place exists, although there are Cities that may be safer than others.....

I'm afraid your family members assessment of the 10% who carry OD may be accurate...THAT, is unfortunate.....
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Old 10-04-2011, 14:11   #20
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Great shooting. I would give this guy free Pizza for life!!! And I would have a cardboard stand up made of him pointing a finger at everyone who came into the business!!

If the agency does not allow their officers to carry off duty that could be very bad and dangerous for the officer and his family. As someone said, I would carry anyway.

In L.A. I carried two and sometimes three guns on duty and one or two off duty and practiced allot. But that was the city of the damned so it's a little different.
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