Nevada DPS director stops the use of 1911's.

mixflip · 10-06-2011, 14:40

Anybody know why exactly??? Rumor is that there was an "incident" but I dont know what that incident was? Did an officer have a negligent discharge?

Patchman · 10-06-2011, 15:36

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Originally Posted by mixflip

Anybody know why exactly??? Rumor is that there was an "incident" but I dont know what that incident was? Did an officer have a negligent discharge?

I have no idea why, or if, they stopped. But can't imagine it was a simple negligent discharge. It might have been a "large" number of NDs, or one doosey of a single ND.

collim1 · 10-06-2011, 17:29

sounds like a knee jerk to me.

***Chuck TX*** · 10-06-2011, 19:45

Some bean counter probably found out they came in a cardboard box.

PinkoCommie · 10-06-2011, 20:07

Surely, millions of shooters over the past century must be wrong. The 1911 platform is clearly defective and dangerous.

CAcop · 10-06-2011, 20:14

If you were to look at the ADs at my PD you should ban Glock 22s and Smith 5906s.

collim1 · 10-06-2011, 20:17

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Originally Posted by PinkoCommie

Surely, millions of shooters over the past century must be wrong. The 1911 platform is clearly defective and dangerous.

If I was a Chief of police I would not hand out the 1911 as a general standard issue weapon, but I think it is a great weapon in the hands of someone who know how to use it.

Sharkey · 10-06-2011, 20:47

If I was Chief, I'd let my officers choose what fits their hand best and what they shoot best from a list of approved firearms.

Of course, that is why I'll never be a Chief.......

collim1 · 10-06-2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Sharkey

If I was Chief, I'd let my officers choose what fits their hand best and what they shoot best from a list of approved firearms.

Of course, that is why I'll never be a Chief.......

Yup. I am required to carry my issued gun, luckily I like the gun so it is not a problem. I dont prefer Glocks, and would HATE to be issued one like most of the guys in my area.

I have never understood an agency choosing what gun ALL their officers are to carry. It is a personal decision just like boxers or briefs IMO.

mixflip · 10-06-2011, 21:43

I had a Chief a while back tell me that he likes his officers to all have the same gun because in case of a shootout involving multiple officers and a high round count... officers could benefit from sharing ammo or battle field pickups.

I personally would rather have each officer have a gun that fits them since statistically most shootouts arent long engagements.

packsaddle · 10-06-2011, 21:53

but, but, 1911's are too scary looking with the whole "hammer cocked back thingy".

related story:

had a guy (out of stater, northern accent, liberal) come over to me in a restaurant recently and the conversation went like this:

loon: (whispering) "excuse me, umm, sir? i just thought i would let you know that your gun is cocked"

me: (whispering back) "and next week they're gonna give me real bullets to go in it"

idiot.

Sharkey · 10-06-2011, 21:54

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I had a Chief a while back tell me that he likes his officers to all have the same gun because in case of a shootout involving multiple officers and a high round count... officers could benefit from sharing ammo or battle field pickups.

I personally would rather have each officer have a gun that fits them since statistically most shootouts arent long engagements.

A nice ivory tower answer. We are in a gunfight and you run out of ammo and want some of mine?

Vigilant · 10-06-2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I had a Chief a while back tell me that he likes his officers to all have the same gun because in case of a shootout involving multiple officers and a high round count... officers could benefit from sharing ammo or battle field pickups.

I personally would rather have each officer have a gun that fits them since statistically most shootouts arent long engagements.

In a prolonged shootout, it would seem that one would transition to the long gun at some point in the encounter. That's where I would think commonality of ammo/mags would be worth looking at.

msu_grad_121 · 10-06-2011, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Sharkey

A nice ivory tower answer. We are in a gunfight and you run out of ammo and want some of mine?

Reminds me of something said by one much wiser than I long ago as a response for this very issue:

"You couldn't hit what you were aiming at with the 40+ rounds you had on YOUR belt, now you want some of MY rounds?"

**Hack** · 10-06-2011, 22:07

1911 type guns are good guns. It made me wonder why the US Army was mandated to switch out to Berettas in the late 80's, (in my unit).

I do wish that we could at least have our own gun for work, but not authorised. They used to actually do that up to the late 80's or maybe the early nineties for where I currently work. Of course, they also use to provide a box of ammo once a month and expect people to get practice with it, but now that we make good money they expect us to do everything on our own time. Even if it was all the same calibre it would be a good thing, as long as the armourer was up to speed on technical requirements. I chock it up to liability issues and what have you.

**Hack** · 10-06-2011, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Vigilant

In a prolonged shootout, it would seem that one would transition to the long gun at some point in the encounter. That's where I would think commonality of ammo/mags would be worth looking at.

I think every officer in every police department should have long guns, and shot guns. Keep that standardised and people can share magazines with each other. The military in our country has this down to a science and it works well. Keep the handgun as a defensive weapon only, not as a tool of enforcement.

Facejackets · 10-06-2011, 22:53

Crazy. I have had probably 20+ LVMPD guys come into the store I work at in the last week looking for 1911's. I know HPD, TA, and BCPD all allow 1911's too.

***JimBianchi*** · 10-06-2011, 23:15

I know LV metro still carries them if the want. A friend is a K9 officer and he is a die-hard 1911 fan and has carried one for as long as I've known him (11yrs).

**larry_minn** · 10-07-2011, 00:06

I recall early 1980s a case where a "attempt" was made to "borrow" ammo from another Officer. I got this from a Officer who was there. .
As I recall the suspects were heading North (West) on I-94 in MN. They went thru Moorhead MN and were stopped by Fargo PD (and Sheriff's Deputies on bridge (border) with MN and Moorhead PD Officers behind them.
This one Officer opened fire. (not really sure what justification was) and fired all 6, reload, fire,reload till out of ammo. Asks other Officer for more ammo. He tells her no. So she grabs shotgun and fires that blind as well. IIRC she hit a Clay County Deputies squad. Runs shotgun empty and is working at getting into trunk for more ammo when "contained"
Nobody hit, suspect arrested and she was honered for her actions.........

blueiron · 10-07-2011, 00:24

Who else likes Junior Mints?

PawDog · 10-07-2011, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Hack

1911 type guns are good guns. It made me wonder why the US Army was mandated to switch out to Berettas in the late 80's, (in my unit).

I do wish that we could at least have our own gun for work, but not authorised. They used to actually do that up to the late 80's or maybe the early nineties for where I currently work. Of course, they also use to provide a box of ammo once a month and expect people to get practice with it, but now that we make good money they expect us to do everything on our own time. Even if it was all the same calibre it would be a good thing, as long as the armourer was up to speed on technical requirements. I chock it up to liability issues and what have you.

Hack,

No. The BOP never issued "take home" weapons or ammo, at least not in the past 30 years. Not sure who provided you with that info, but it's not true.

mixflip · 10-07-2011, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Facejackets

Crazy. I have had probably 20+ LVMPD guys come into the store I work at in the last week looking for 1911's. I know HPD, TA, and BCPD all allow 1911's too.

Yep, DPS officers are all state cops. State cops cant carry 1911's anymore in Nevada. City and county have different rules.

Gangrel · 10-07-2011, 11:38

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Originally Posted by msu_grad_121

Reminds me of something said by one much wiser than I long ago as a response for this very issue:

"You couldn't hit what you were aiming at with the 40+ rounds you had on YOUR belt, now you want some of MY rounds?"

That is a silly and narrow minded response. What if the other officer is in a tactically better position than you and they are the only one with a line of fire?

What if you are injured/dead/incapacitated and they need more ammunition?

What if they have been on scene longer and need replenishing?

p.d. · 10-07-2011, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Gangrel

That is a silly and narrow minded response. What if the other officer is in a tactically better position than you and they are the only one with a line of fire?

What if you are injured/dead/incapacitated and they need more ammunition?

What if they have been on scene longer and need replenishing?

If they are in a better position, I'm not waltzing over to do an unrep. If I'm dead, they're welcome to my gear.

mixflip · 10-07-2011, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Gangrel

That is a silly and narrow minded response.

What if they have been on scene longer and need replenishing?

Very good point.