Light primer strikes...

Shadyscott69 · 10-09-2011, 18:58

I am running a G22 in competitions with a Zev Tech sping kit and Ghost connector. Went to the rang tonight to try out some new loads for 40 minor. Nice soft shooting 180's. Problem is, and it is a new problem, I had about 25 light strikes in 300 rounds.

I am fairly sure it is because of the new brick of CCI primers I used on these rounds. I have never had a problem with CCI's before. I generally use Federals and I know they are softer. Just couldn't find any locally.

Now my question...

Has anyone had success in this situation with a Ti striker? I would really like to be able to use whatever primers are available. Thanks.

BTW, it wasn't just my gun. My buddies G35 with a Wolf kit was doing exactly the same thing with these loads.

Maine1 · 10-09-2011, 19:01

the ONLY time i have had problems with a light FP strike was when my firing pin channel was gunky. This is with any primer, and i have used them all at one time or another. Even a relatively small amount of crud can cause problems in that location. Might have a brass/lead shaving in there, even if you just scrubbed it down before shooting.

Shadyscott69 · 10-09-2011, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Maine1

the ONLY time i have had problems with a light FP strike was when my firing pin channel was gunky. This is with any primer, and i have used them all at one time or another. Even a relatively small amount of crud can cause problems in that location. Might have a brass/lead shaving in there, even if you just scrubbed it down before shooting.

I understand what you are saying, but that is not the case here. We are both running very light spring kits. Both guns were just stripped and cleaned to include the striker channel. I know it is partially the light striker springs causing this.

Tpro · 10-09-2011, 19:46

Did you try to shoot them a second time? If so, did they go off? If they did you didn't seat the primer deep enough. My Lyman manual says the primers need to be "pre-crushed" when being installed by the press.

IT0 · 10-09-2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Maine1

the ONLY time i have had problems with a light FP strike was when my firing pin channel was gunky. This is with any primer, and i have used them all at one time or another. Even a relatively small amount of crud can cause problems in that location. Might have a brass/lead shaving in there, even if you just scrubbed it down before shooting.

Had the same issue only I was the one getting gunk in there during cleaning.

Shadyscott69 · 10-09-2011, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Tpro

Did you try to shoot them a second time? If so, did they go off? If they did you didn't seat the primer deep enough. My Lyman manual says the primers need to be "pre-crushed" when being installed by the press.

Yes. Some did, most didn't on the second time. Primers were seated to my normal depth.

Tpro · 10-09-2011, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

Yes. Some did, most didn't on the second time. Primers were seated to my normal depth.

So is it possible that some of the CCI primers are bad? Never heard that before (only Wolf and Tula have I seen complaints on) about CCI.

ImpeachObama · 10-09-2011, 22:17

Call Wolf up and get some new springs. Tell them what is going on and they will get you what you need to lower the chance of this happening. I had a similar problem with changing springs and using a 3.5 lb Ghost trigger.

Colorado4Wheel · 10-10-2011, 07:33

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

I understand what you are saying, but that is not the case here. We are both running very light spring kits. Both guns were just stripped and cleaned to include the striker channel. I know it is partially the light striker springs causing this.

I run a reduced rate Wolf Spring, Stock striker on my G34 for years. I only run CCI and NEVER have issues with light strikes. Then I switched to a different press and it was nothing but trouble even if they were seated flush. So it's not just the primers. Check the press. Make sure everything is perfect. I think CCI's are marginal with light weight striker springs. They have to be perfect or they don't work.

Tpro · 10-10-2011, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

I am running a G22 in competitions with a Zev Tech sping kit and Ghost connector. Went to the rang tonight to try out some new loads for 40 minor. Nice soft shooting 180's. Problem is, and it is a new problem, I had about 25 light strikes in 300 rounds.

I am fairly sure it is because of the new brick of CCI primers I used on these rounds. I have never had a problem with CCI's before. I generally use Federals and I know they are softer. Just couldn't find any locally.

Now my question...

Has anyone had success in this situation with a Ti striker? I would really like to be able to use whatever primers are available. Thanks.

BTW, it wasn't just my gun. My buddies G35 with a Wolf kit was doing exactly the same thing with these loads.

So now the question is what press are you using. It's a fair question, since it could be an issue.

ron59 · 10-10-2011, 10:18

I had the same results. I have a trigger kit with the 6 pound trigger spring and 4 pound striker spring. I would get 6-7 light strikes per 100 with the CCIs. With Federals? Never the first light strike, so I don't think it's how I'm seating them, or I would have at least the occasional issue occur.

Back before I installed this trigger kit, I never had problems with the CCIs. So, for me... with the kit, just use Federals, no problems.

Boxerglocker · 10-10-2011, 13:14

OP you failed to mention if you retried firing the first time strike failures. Until we know it's all speculation. For the record. I have a Ghost rocket connector, with reduced firing pin spring, stock firing pin and OEM trigger spring in my G34. I've never had issues with CCI and actually primarily used Wolf/Tula SPP's.

ron59 · 10-10-2011, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Boxerglocker

OP you failed to mention if you retried firing the first time strike failures. Until we know it's all speculation. For the record. I have a Ghost rocket connector, with reduced firing pin, stock, stock firing pin and trigger spring in my G34. I've never had issues with CCI and actually primarily used Wolf/Tula SPP's.

So you have a reduced firing pin spring AND stock firing pin spring in your 34? So how does that work, LOL.

Looks like I have a new sig line quote ..

Tpro · 10-10-2011, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Boxerglocker

OP you failed to mention if you retried firing the first time strike failures. Until we know it's all speculation. For the record. I have a Ghost rocket connector, with reduced firing pin, stock, stock firing pin and trigger spring in my G34. I've never had issues with CCI and actually primarily used Wolf/Tula SPP's.

BG he answered it in post #6. That's why I asked about CCI primers not going off. I've only used about 2500 CCI primers. The other 35,000 or so have been Wolf. So I didn't feel comfortabl;e saying the CCI wouldn't go off.

Shadyscott69 · 10-10-2011, 16:18

Press is an LnL. I guess I could have been more clear in my OP.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the CCI primers causing the problem. I have loaded and shot several thousand rounds in the last couple months and never had a problem with this setup. The ONLY thing that has changed is the switch to the CCI primers.

I am pretty sure I could switch back to Federals and solve the issue. I am trying to avoid being required to use only Federals. We all know how availability can go concerning primers.

I ordered a LS lightened steel striker last night. I am going to attempt to follow the instructions on the benos forum to lighten a factory striker and see how that works too. I also order the maritime spring cups for the reduced friction. I should have some answers this weekend if everything gets delivered this week.

D. Manley · 10-10-2011, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

Press is an LnL. I guess I could have been more clear in my OP.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the CCI primers causing the problem. I have loaded and shot several thousand rounds in the last couple months and never had a problem with this setup. The ONLY thing that has changed is the switch to the CCI primers.

I am pretty sure I could switch back to Federals and solve the issue. I am trying to avoid being required to use only Federals. We all know how availability can go concerning primers.

I ordered a LS lightened steel striker last night. I am going to attempt to follow the instructions on the benos forum to lighten a factory striker and see how that works too. I also order the maritime spring cups for the reduced friction. I should have some answers this weekend if everything gets delivered this week.

FWIW, I run the Wolf RPFPS| LS Lightened Steel FP's in my G34, G35 & G21 range guns and the only problem I ever had was one of the notorious batches of nickle plated Wolf SPP immediately after the "great shortage". Never a hint of an issue with Federal or Winchester either, for that matter. I don't, for different reasosns however, use the x-tra power trigger spring.

Boxerglocker · 10-10-2011, 16:52

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Originally Posted by ron59

So you have a reduced firing pin spring AND stock firing pin spring in your 34? So how does that work, LOL.

Looks like I have a new sig line quote ..

Corrected obvious typo, new android pad is a PITA to edit.

Missed the post on trying to fire the failed primers again... if the only thing that has changed is the CCI primers. It's either the primers being bad (highly doubt) or the gun trigger set-up is too light. Personally I would get hold of a stock glock and try and fire those failed rounds once again.

MrVvrroomm · 10-10-2011, 17:32

If you switch back to Federal SPP your problems will go away.

Shadyscott69 · 10-10-2011, 17:42

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Originally Posted by MrVvrroomm

If you switch back to Federal SPP your problems will go away.

I know.

I am attempting to make the gun run with any primer. As much as I am shooting, I would love to be able to order bulk wolf primers. There is a significant savings when you shoot 2k+ rounds per month. There always seems to be a shortage of Federal primers around here. Other brands are EVERYWHERE.

Colorado4Wheel · 10-10-2011, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

Press is an LnL. I guess I could have been more clear in my OP.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt it is the CCI primers causing the problem. I have loaded and shot several thousand rounds in the last couple months and never had a problem with this setup. The ONLY thing that has changed is the switch to the CCI primers.

I am pretty sure I could switch back to Federals and solve the issue. I am trying to avoid being required to use only Federals. We all know how availability can go concerning primers.

I ordered a LS lightened steel striker last night. I am going to attempt to follow the instructions on the benos forum to lighten a factory striker and see how that works too. I also order the maritime spring cups for the reduced friction. I should have some answers this weekend if everything gets delivered this week.

I had no problems with Federal on my LnL and no end of trouble with CCI on my LnL. Send my some CCI primers and brass and I will prime it on my 650 and see if the problem goes away.

Shadyscott69 · 10-10-2011, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

I had no problems with Federal on my LnL and no end of trouble with CCI on my LnL. Send my some CCI primers and brass and I will prime it on my 650 and see if the problem goes away.

How many should I send you, Steve? 10,000...15,000 What do you think would be a good sample size?

D. Manley · 10-10-2011, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

I know.

I am attempting to make the gun run with any primer. As much as I am shooting, I would love to be able to order bulk wolf primers. There is a significant savings when you shoot 2k+ rounds per month. There always seems to be a shortage of Federal primers around here. Other brands are EVERYWHERE.

If you want the gun to run with any primer, try a stock Glock OEM FPS with 5 coils removed on the stock OEM firing pin. The trigger will not be "quite" as light but will still be pretty good.

Shadyscott69 · 10-10-2011, 18:32

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Originally Posted by D. Manley

If you want the gun to run with any primer, try a stock Glock OEM FPS with 5 coils removed on the stock OEM firing pin. The trigger will not be "quite" as light but will still be pretty good.

I will give that a try also. I am going to try to keep really good records of what works and what doesn't. This seems to be a very vague area even for the hard core "run & gun" guys. I still have about 300 of these harder than the gates of Hell CCIs to use in my testing.

Colorado4Wheel · 10-10-2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Shadyscott69

How many should I send you, Steve? 10,000...15,000 What do you think would be a good sample size?

I don't know if your joking or not but 200 should do it. I will prime them and send them back to you. You just remove the decaping pin and load them like normal.

Shadyscott69 · 10-10-2011, 18:44

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

I don't know if your joking or not but 200 should do it. I will prime them and send them back to you. You just remove the decaping pin and load them like normal.

I thought you were trying to pull a Jack on me. LOL I appreciate the offer. I may actually take you up on it after I run my first test round. Would be interesting to see if there is any difference.