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Old 01-10-2013, 10:19   #51
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So question on the .22 practice route:

I am not opposed to doing this. Here's two questions though:

What would be better, getting the conversion for the G20, or, just buying a dedicated .22 practice gun?

Depending on your answer, what would be a good option? (sounds like a couple have already said Advantage Arms for the G20 conversion)

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Old 01-10-2013, 11:46   #52
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I have no experience with the Advantage Arms but if it is reliable and durable, that would be great. Otherwise, I can't recommend highly enough the 22/45 for a dedicated practice gun for getting your basics down pat. One thing you have to remember for new shooters is that recoil is a major distraction to getting the basics mastered. Starting out on .40 or 10mm is a real challenge for building skills.

Plus, it's always nice to have a cheap, dedicated plinker gun.
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Old 01-10-2013, 16:58   #53
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Yes there is a conversion for a G20/21 to shoot .22lr. I believe Advantage Arms makes one.
I purchased an Advantage Arms Glock LE 20-21 22LR Conversion Kit for my Glock G21SF. The first time I took it to the range, it really was disappointing. I was using Winchester .22 LR ammo. It would not cycle the first three rounds in each fully loaded mag. I loaded the mag with 3 fewer rounds thinking it was excessive spring pressure with a full mag....not the answer. I put the thing up and was considering sending it back. I then noticed some Blazer ammo in my cabinet and took it to the range. It functioned flawlessly, never a failure of any kind. I am pleased with conversion at this point. I can shoot the same gun, squeeze the same trigger, have the same feel ALL DAY LONG and spend so little for so much fun.

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Old 01-10-2013, 21:19   #54
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Holy lordy, .22LR ammo is cheap! (wait, let me add some more !!!)

The recommended ammo from Advantage Arms for their .22 conversion kit is CCI Mini-Mag 40gr, at CheaperThanDirt, prices range from 7.32 to 8.00 for 100 rounds! That's freakin insane cheap! Everything is basically sold out there, but still, I could buy 1000 rounds for $80 + shipping?

The only thing is, the conversion kit is like $265 suggested, seems sorta steep (that's like 1/2 another G20). I understand they need to make a quality setup, plus make money...just have to think now if I want to go that route; between the G20, the .40 KKM conversion barrel, and now the .22 conversion kit, starting to get up there.

I guess all 3 of those are one time purchases though (for me at least), so not too hard to justify it...just got to mull it over.

Quick, someone talk me out of it! Haha! (heerrre Visa card, where did you run off too...?)

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Old 01-10-2013, 22:07   #55
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Get it Chuck! Then your G20 will run .22' 10, .40, 9mm, and 9x25. It's truly the Do-Everything gun! Experts say when the SHTF, a .22 is one of the handiest calibers to have on hand. 1000 rounds will do you well!
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Old 01-10-2013, 22:21   #56
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What would be better, getting the conversion for the G20, or, just buying a dedicated .22 practice gun?
It's a tough call.
For years, I had a Ruger Mark II with a 6" bull barrel. I brought that to the range along with whatever centerfire pistol I was shooting that day. When I felt like I was starting to flinch with a centerfire pistol, I would switch to the .22. When I felt I had cured the flinch, I'd switch back to centerfire.

If you had, a separate .22, it would be easier to switch back and forth. I recently got a 1911 .22 conversion slide, so I am starting to appreciate the advantages of practicing with the same pistol in .22.

.... coin toss .... if the conversion kit is reliable, you might go for it...... then again, a dedicated .22 might be able to digest economy .22 ammo
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:56   #57
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From what I can tell from the forum users here on my searching last night (All forums, Advantage AND Arms), all the comments were positive providing they used the recommended ammo (which I would do).

I like the idea of practicing using the same exact frame and sights as what would be the stock gun. I like even better practicing for so little cost!

Oh man, never going to stop hearing it from the parents...this is turning into an expensive hobby and I don't even have the G20 yet! :D

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Old 01-11-2013, 11:59   #58
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jimfa440 thanks for that report. I was thinking of posting a question about this but I was looking at this site:

http://www.22lrconversions.com/

They are selling theirs for $199 for the G19. I wonder which kit is superior
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:09   #59
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jimfa440 thanks for that report. I was thinking of posting a question about this but I was looking at this site:

http://www.22lrconversions.com/

They are selling theirs for $199 for the G19. I wonder which kit is superior
I did no search on Ciener, I'll do that tonight and see what it turns up. One thing I like about this one would be 15 round mags instead of just 10 with the AA kit, along with the reduced price.

The AA homepage compares itself against Ciener, given they're competitors, not sure how much is worthwhile/trustable.

Here's the problem though: Unless the Ciener website has not been updated (a definite possibility), there is no mention of supporting 10mm or .45, while that is explicitly called out on the AA site, along with calling out for Gen4 owners a specific AA Gen4 kit. Contacting Ciener via the info on their website is a joke the way they have it setup, as there is no way to actually contact them except via mail????

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Old 01-11-2013, 12:43   #60
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Yeah their site is pretty 1996 and the contact us link doesn't even work. I was primarily looking for the G19 conversion myself since I only have a G29 in 10mm.
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Old 01-11-2013, 14:28   #61
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jimfa440 thanks for that report. I was thinking of posting a question about this but I was looking at this site:

http://www.22lrconversions.com/

They are selling theirs for $199 for the G19. I wonder which kit is superior
I cannot compare the AA to the others because this one is the only one I have ever seen, but I do like it and have no regrets. Here is a link to the one I bought;

http://smartgunner.com/browseproduct...del-20-21.HTML

Good luck shopping.
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Old 01-11-2013, 14:34   #62
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I wouldn't say that 10mm is too much to a beginner. However, factory ammo is significantly more expensive than 9mm.

I love 10mm, but I only suggest them to people who reload or have deep pockets.

As the others have said, you can purchase conversion barrels, but I wouldn't trust them for defensive purposes.
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Old 01-11-2013, 14:40   #63
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I wouldn't say that 10mm is too much to a beginner. However, factory ammo is significantly more expensive than 9mm.

I love 10mm, but I only suggest them to people who reload or have deep pockets.

As the others have said, you can purchase conversion barrels, but I wouldn't trust them for defensive purposes.

I agree, the cost of .45ACP is outrageous. That's the reason for the conversion. My wife shoots my Ruger 22/45 while I shoot the G21 with AA conversion. We both have fun without breaking the bank.
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Old 01-11-2013, 17:01   #64
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Holy lordy, .22LR ammo is cheap! (wait, let me add some more !!!)

The recommended ammo from Advantage Arms for their .22 conversion kit is CCI Mini-Mag 40gr, at CheaperThanDirt, prices range from 7.32 to 8.00 for 100 rounds! That's freakin insane cheap! Everything is basically sold out there, but still, I could buy 1000 rounds for $80 + shipping?

The only thing is, the conversion kit is like $265 suggested, seems sorta steep (that's like 1/2 another G20). I understand they need to make a quality setup, plus make money...just have to think now if I want to go that route; between the G20, the .40 KKM conversion barrel, and now the .22 conversion kit, starting to get up there.

I guess all 3 of those are one time purchases though (for me at least), so not too hard to justify it...just got to mull it over.

Quick, someone talk me out of it! Haha! (heerrre Visa card, where did you run off too...?)

Chuck

Save the money and skip the KKM conversion barrel. Your G20 will eat 40 with the stock barrel just fine.
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Old 01-11-2013, 18:02   #65
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I did also go from a .22 and not much handgun experience to a G20. Based on my experience i can give you a couple tips that helped me. Just my opinion take it or leave it.

-Don't buy all kinds of aftermarket stuff, springs, barrels etc. Your g20 will work better without any of it.

-Shoot with a rest at first. This has helped me with trigger control and flinching.

-Don't shoot hot loads right away. I use underwood delta elite and it's perfect for me.

-You don't have to really grip the gun as hard as people say. Limp wristing is not as much of a problem unless you believe it to be.

Just my opinion based on my own experience.
Good luck and have fun.
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Old 01-11-2013, 18:48   #66
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-You don't have to really grip the gun as hard as people say. Limp wristing is not as much of a problem unless you believe it to be.
If you lock your elbow, the problem goes away.
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Old 01-11-2013, 22:24   #67
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I cannot compare the AA to the others because this one is the only one I have ever seen, but I do like it and have no regrets. Here is a link to the one I bought;

http://smartgunner.com/browseproduct...del-20-21.HTML

Good luck shopping.
Just a note on the kit in this link: This one is for Gen 1 - 3, not Gen4.

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Save the money and skip the KKM conversion barrel. Your G20 will eat 40 with the stock barrel just fine.
Too late, the .40 barrel is already ordered. I knew the G20 would shoot it fine/mostly fine stock, but, I thought that when doing so the round was held by the extractor or something like that? Just sounded like something the G20 wasn't designed for, so I ordered the .40 conversion barrel to be safe.

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I did also go from a .22 and not much handgun experience to a G20. Based on my experience i can give you a couple tips that helped me. Just my opinion take it or leave it.

-Don't buy all kinds of aftermarket stuff, springs, barrels etc. Your g20 will work better without any of it.

-Shoot with a rest at first. This has helped me with trigger control and flinching.

-Don't shoot hot loads right away. I use underwood delta elite and it's perfect for me.

-You don't have to really grip the gun as hard as people say. Limp wristing is not as much of a problem unless you believe it to be.

Just my opinion based on my own experience.
Good luck and have fun.
Thanks for that! Yeah, other than the .40 conversion barrel and potentially this AA .22 conversion kit, I won't be buying anything else for it. The only thing I can see myself spending money on is different sights. I did not like the stock Glock sights on the G20C we shot, nor the G21 I shot at my basic pistol safety class (only two rounds there, but still). I liked the XD-M sights better, but still not fully. I don't know which ones I might end up getting, but I think, eventually, I will get some different sights but on. And yeah, no plan on shooting super hot loads until I can handle the normal stuff.

Man I can't believe I'm seriously considering dropping the coin on the AA kit. Just when I thought I was done with the $$$!!!

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Old 01-12-2013, 20:22   #68
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Go to your local range and rent a few different calibers and do some shooting with an experienced friend.

You'll find your comfort level quickly without spending a ton of cash and regretting it later.

Not that you would ever regret buying a g20...that's just crazy talk.
Good advice... exactly what I tell people just getting into shooting and ask for advice...
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