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Old 09-09-2011, 19:14   #1
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National Reciprocity

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h822/show
There has been a new national reciprocity bill introduced in congress. please contact your representatives and ask them to support it.
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Old 09-09-2011, 19:25   #2
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I do not think I want the federal government involved.

It doesn't look half bad in principle, though.
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What is the benefit of this bill? From what I've read, it has more window dressing than anything.

The only benefit of it would be all states would have to recognize each other's Conceal/Carry. Some states are CPL, CCW, etc...how does that effect these states? You still will have to determine the other state's laws on carrying, back to square one.

So far, I haven't bought into this one...yet.




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What is the benefit of this bill? From what I've read, it has more window dressing than anything.

The only benefit of it would be all states would have to recognize each other's Conceal/Carry. Some states are CPL, CCW, etc...how does that effect these states? You still will have to determine the other state's laws on carrying, back to square one.

So far, I haven't bought into this one...yet.




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To be fair that would be a pretty significant thing. Ijust travled out of state to another shall issue state this year but neither of my carry licenses were recognized. And I will be in Cali (grrr) later this year. Again, no carry.
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What is the benefit of this bill? From what I've read, it has more window dressing than anything.

The only benefit of it would be all states would have to recognize each other's Conceal/Carry. Some states are CPL, CCW, etc...how does that effect these states? You still will have to determine the other state's laws on carrying, back to square one.

So far, I haven't bought into this one...yet.




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the benefit would be that I would be able to visit my parents in NY and carry. People would be able to carry when they travel and not be defenseless.
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Old 09-09-2011, 21:47   #7
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What is the benefit of this bill? From what I've read, it has more window dressing than anything.

The only benefit of it would be all states would have to recognize each other's Conceal/Carry. Some states are CPL, CCW, etc...how does that effect these states? You still will have to determine the other state's laws on carrying, back to square one.
Are you kidding? I have an Ohio CHL. Ohio now has reciprocity with 21 states. Uh, what about the other 28 that are "may" or "shall issue"? I can get most of them with a PA or FL license, but what a hassle (and cost, in the case of FL). Even in reciprocity states I have to determine/know their local laws so that is no change from the current setup.

I foresee quite a bit of push back from the states over this though.

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the benefit would be that I would be able to visit my parents in NY and carry. People would be able to carry when they travel and not be defenseless.
If this bill allowed carry even in NY and D.C. that would be incredible. Illinois would be the only state left out.

It probably has zero chance of Obama signing it though. Perry would It probably won't even get past the Senate.

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If this bill allowed carry even in NY and D.C. that would be incredible. Illinois would be the only state left out.

It probably has zero chance of Obama signing it though. Perry would It probably won't even get past the Senate.
this bill wouldn't allow you to carry in DC but it would in NY. the way tho bill is written any state that issues CCW permits must honer all other cow permits as if it was a unrestricted permit in there own state.
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If this bill allowed carry even in NY and D.C. that would be incredible. Illinois would be the only state left out.

It probably has zero chance of Obama signing it though. Perry would It probably won't even get past the Senate.
What about presidential executive order? Is that possible?
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What, are some of you nuts? If you don't see the huge benefit in having every state recognize your carry license then you must be mental!

That would be awesome. Even if you have to obey their carry laws, that isn't as big of a deal as them not letting you carry at all.

In fact, just carry your pistol in a holster in any state and you'll be fine for the most part. Any state that restricts this, well what can you do but if they recognize your carry license then you should be able to carry it in a holster, right?

This is huge!
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What, are some of you nuts? If you don't see the huge benefit in having every state recognize your carry license then you must be mental!

That would be awesome. Even if you have to obey their carry laws, that isn't as big of a deal as them not letting you carry at all.

In fact, just carry your pistol in a holster in any state and you'll be fine for the most part. Any state that restricts this, well what can you do but if they recognize your carry license then you should be able to carry it in a holster, right?

This is huge!
Agreed in full! this would be a big step forward contact your representatives.
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What, are some of you nuts? If you don't see the huge benefit in having every state recognize your carry license then you must be mental!
Some people don't want the fesderal government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, even when the specific case at hand would be in their favor.

Some people worry about the future implications of such a precedent.
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Some people don't want the fesderal government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, even when the specific case at hand would be in their favor.

Some people worry about the future implications of such a precedent.
Its completely inevitable though. From the moment you buy a gun you invite the feds into your life. They have all of your info now. And then you go and get a CCW license; they now have your fingerprints and even more info.

Plus, involving the GVT in improving the enforcement of the constitution can't be that bad...
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Its completely inevitable though. From the moment you buy a gun you invite the feds into your life. They have all of your info now. And then you go and get a CCW license; they now have your fingerprints and even more info.

Plus, involving the GVT in improving the enforcement of the constitution can't be that bad...
...if you buy from an FFL and fill out a 4473 they have some basic information, yes.

And I never said anything about the feds in our personal lives. I said the feds sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

And I don't give a crap if they have my prints. I've been printed at least a half dozen times now. So what?


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Some people don't want the fesderal government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, even when the specific case at hand would be in their favor.

Some people worry about the future implications of such a precedent.
Wouldn't this just be supporting the Constitution?

edit: Someone beat me to it as I was typing.
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Wouldn't this just be supporting the Constitution?

edit: Someone beat me to it as I was typing.
You mean like the firearm owners protection act?
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this bill wouldn't allow you to carry in DC but it would in NY. the way tho bill is written any state that issues CCW permits must honer all other cow permits as if it was a unrestricted permit in there own state.
According to this:

http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?ID=189

"The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories."

Basically any place that has "may issue" or "shall issue" would be covered. The only places that wouldn't is "no issue" and that is just Illinois, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands according to this:

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_ca...formation.html

But for now I think DC is also "no issue" but I see conflicting info.

It really stands no chance of happening under a Democrat controlled Senate or White House but it is interesting. To think of being able to visit NYC while packing... wow. Bloomberg will have a stroke!

If this ever DID happen I think a few places, like NY and CA would quickly become "no issue". But that would hack off the politically connected people who do have permits (I'm sure they'd be grandfathered in somehow though). Would be fascinating to watch.

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i can't believe this has turned into a thread about asking the federal government for permission or inviting more federal regulation. when it helps you, you'll gladly run to the federal government for help. when you don't like what they are doing (like keeping the air clean or keeping the water supply free of anthrax, then they need to butt out and government needs to be small and only do what they are told they can do from the Constitution and leave it up to the states. How hypocritical is that.
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Some people don't want the fesderal government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, even when the specific case at hand would be in their favor.

Some people worry about the future implications of such a precedent.
In my opinion, the only proper function of government is to protect and extend my freedoms. Sometimes it's the state gov keeping the fed gov out of my business, and this time it's the fed gov protecting my freedom against the states. I don't care about "states' rights" so much as my rights.
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