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Old 10-16-2011, 14:19   #1
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Cheapest 12ga. AOW?

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A SBS (SHORT BARRELED SHOTGUN). I WANT AN AOW.


I'd like to get an AOW in 12ga. but I'm curious if any can be had under $400-$500?

The shorty Rem., Mossy, Serbus all seem to be in the $700 range.

Any out there for less?

BTW, I plan on building a nice SBS, so that is NOT what I want here.

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Old 10-16-2011, 17:14   #2
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Probably the one you submit paperwork for and cut down the barrel.
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Old 10-16-2011, 17:35   #3
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Mossberg Cruiser - around $550, but 14"
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Old 10-16-2011, 17:43   #4
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Old 10-16-2011, 18:37   #5
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Probably the one you submit paperwork for and cut down the barrel.
As I said I do not want a SBS for the purposes of this thread.

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Old 10-16-2011, 18:42   #6
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Mossberg Cruiser - around $550, but 14"
True. I'm looking more for 6.5" to 8.5" though.

So far this is around the cheapest I've found.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=255577607

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What about cutting down a cheap sxs like in this thread?

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354497

I plan on doing something similar myself as a little winter project to keep myself entertained.
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Can someone tell me why half of these say a 5 stamp others say a 200 stamp?
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Old 10-16-2011, 20:48   #9
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Can someone tell me why half of these say a 5 stamp others say a 200 stamp?
SBS= Short Barreled Shotgun= $200 stamp

AOW= Any other weapon= $5 stamp (transfer)

Third time here...NOT looking for a SBS!

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Old 10-16-2011, 21:29   #10
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That Keg M500 that you linked and the 14" 590A1's are going to be the cheapest your probably going to find.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:07   #11
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That Keg M500 that you linked and the 14" 590A1's are going to be the cheapest your probably going to find.
The 3+1 model seems to be VERY rare as I've only found one. It's the one I would lean toward though due to that extra shot. Then again 2+1 means 2-3" smaller.

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Old 10-17-2011, 08:35   #12
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How handy are you at machining, OP?

If you're handy and have access to the necessary tools, you could buy a pistol-grip only shotgun and make one yourself. This route would cost $200 for the tax stamp, but you can find PG-only shotguns relatively inexpensively.

So, $200 for the gun and $200 for the stamp is almost half of what a new KEG or Serbu costs...

IF you can do the machining work yourself, that is...

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AFAIK...
The least expensive factory made AOW is the Safety Harbor KEG-12 @ around $600-650.
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Old 10-17-2011, 16:52   #14
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How handy are you at machining, OP?
Not very unfortunately.

Plus I don't think they sell the exact same slim/folding forends as seen on the Serbu's.

However, I do not know of any shotguns that are as you describe. Would that JIC (Just In Case gun from Mossberg be an example? That only had a pistol grip.

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Not very unfortunately.

Plus I don't think they sell the exact same slim/folding forends as seen on the Serbu's.

However, I do not know of any shotguns that are as you describe. Would that JIC (Just In Case gun from Mossberg be an example? That only had a pistol grip.

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Safety Harbor Firearms offers the KEG foregrip for sale but I believe its just for the 870 right now.
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Quick Question that I hope the OP don't mind me asking. All the AOW types I have seen are pump action. Are there semi-autos available or do they have to be pump? Links would be nice if someone knows of some semi's as Google couldn't find me any.
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Quick Question that I hope the OP don't mind me asking. All the AOW types I have seen are pump action. Are there semi-autos available or do they have to be pump? Links would be nice if someone knows of some semi's as Google couldn't find me any.
There are Saiga S12 AOW's.
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Safety Harbor Firearms offers the KEG foregrip for sale but I believe its just for the 870 right now.
And see I'm more interested in the Mossberg.

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Quick Question that I hope the OP don't mind me asking. All the AOW types I have seen are pump action. Are there semi-autos available or do they have to be pump? Links would be nice if someone knows of some semi's as Google couldn't find me any.
With a traditional semi auto you have to have some sort of stock on it for it to function due to the spring/recoil mechanism.

A friend of mine actually has a sawed off semi-auto that two nimrods used to rob a bunch of stores back in the 70's (his grandfather was the chief at the time so I guess he just kept it). Anyways the gun is useless and does not work. Plus I think the firing pin was taken out.

As mentioned there are S12's but you are looking at a few grand to make them reliable. I had one that was new and I converted it. Biggest POS I ever owned!! The x39 version is one of the best AK's (converted) I've seen!! Go figure!

Personally I'm leaning toward a Mossberg. However the decision I'm trying to make is between a 2+1 at 6.5" barrel or a 3+1 at 8.5". What are everyone's thoughts?

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Not very unfortunately.

Plus I don't think they sell the exact same slim/folding forends as seen on the Serbu's.

However, I do not know of any shotguns that are as you describe. Would that JIC (Just In Case gun from Mossberg be an example? That only had a pistol grip.

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yeah, the JIC pistol-gripped only shotguns would qualify.

Like I said up above...you COULD make your own, but actually paying for all the work / parts / etc and you'd be right at, or over, the cost of buying one.

Just save your pennies for a few more months and then go buy one.

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yeah, the JIC pistol-gripped only shotguns would qualify.

Like I said up above...you COULD make your own, but actually paying for all the work / parts / etc and you'd be right at, or over, the cost of buying one.

Just save your pennies for a few more months and then go buy one.

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It's not really a matter of having to save my pennies. I just want to make sure I get the best deal...even though with NFA weapons you often have to throw a bunch of money at the problem through stamps and fees just to get it.

Again, thoughts on 3 shot vs 4? Is the extra two inches either way worth the gain or loss? This will be a car gun at times, possibly carried if a SHTF get's crappy enough....but mostly just a range toy.

Also, if I buy it off gunbroker do I have to get two background checks done? How does the out of state process work?

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Probably the one you submit paperwork for and cut down the barrel.
Doing a SBS or AOW on a form 1 costs $200 either way. A transfer on an AOW is only $5, which is why I imagine the OP is only looking for an AOW.

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What about cutting down a cheap sxs like in this thread?

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354497

I plan on doing something similar myself as a little winter project to keep myself entertained.
Again, $200 stamp on a Form 1. If you're gonna pay for a Form 1, you might as well do it as an SBS and have the option of stock or no stock - something you cannot do on an AOW.

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Can someone tell me why half of these say a 5 stamp others say a 200 stamp?
An AOW (shotgun that has never had a stock on it, does not currently have one, has a sub-18" barrel, and is registered as an AOW) is only a $5 tax for a transfer, whereas a Short-barreled shotgun is $200 to transfer.

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How handy are you at machining, OP?

If you're handy and have access to the necessary tools, you could buy a pistol-grip only shotgun and make one yourself. This route would cost $200 for the tax stamp, but you can find PG-only shotguns relatively inexpensively.

So, $200 for the gun and $200 for the stamp is almost half of what a new KEG or Serbu costs...

IF you can do the machining work yourself, that is...

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If you are doing a Form 1, there's no reason to go AOW that I know of, unless your state doesn't allow SBS but does allow AOW. SBS and AOW cost the same tax on a Form 1, but SBS gives the option of a full stock or pistol grip only. AOW can NOT have a stock on it.


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It's not really a matter of having to save my pennies. I just want to make sure I get the best deal...even though with NFA weapons you often have to throw a bunch of money at the problem through stamps and fees just to get it.

Again, thoughts on 3 shot vs 4? Is the extra two inches either way worth the gain or loss? This will be a car gun at times, possibly carried if a SHTF get's crappy enough....but mostly just a range toy.

Also, if I buy it off gunbroker do I have to get two background checks done? How does the out of state process work?

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If it's on a Form 4 or Form 1 in another state, I believe it is two stamps to get it to you. For an AOW, though, that's not an issue on cost, just time. An out of state Form 3 or in state Form 4 should only be one stamp. The first stamp will be for the individual that owns it transferring to a dealer, and the second will be for the dealer in your state transferring it to you. Only the second stamp requires your info, as far as I know.

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That 500AOW looks like your best bet. Neat little package really.
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It's not really a matter of having to save my pennies. I just want to make sure I get the best deal...even though with NFA weapons you often have to throw a bunch of money at the problem through stamps and fees just to get it.

Again, thoughts on 3 shot vs 4? Is the extra two inches either way worth the gain or loss? This will be a car gun at times, possibly carried if a SHTF get's crappy enough....but mostly just a range toy.

Also, if I buy it off gunbroker do I have to get two background checks done? How does the out of state process work?

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I think I would go for the 4 shot for only 2 extra inches. Thugs normally don't work alone anymore and I am not a big believer in the thought of the other running away just because.
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If it's on a Form 4 or Form 1 in another state, I believe it is two stamps to get it to you. For an AOW, though, that's not an issue on cost, just time. An out of state Form 3 or in state Form 4 should only be one stamp. The first stamp will be for the individual that owns it transferring to a dealer, and the second will be for the dealer in your state transferring it to you. Only the second stamp requires your info, as far as I know.
Nah, no tax stamp required to transfer an NFA item to an SOT dealer. That's why they bother paying the SOT in the first place. It would be the same as any other out-of-state transfer, but with an extra few months between when your dealer gets it and when you get to take it home.

If you go through a dealer that doesn't have an SOT, then it would be 2x as long, with 2x the stamps required. OP: save yourself the hassle, and go through an SOT - their NFA transfer fees will be higher than the fee for a normal transfer, but it kinda has to be (to cover the cost of the SOT every year, plush insurance on storing your gun for a few months) - still worth it, though.
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