Do you personally believe the story of Osama bin Laden's Death

akapennypincher · 05-20-2011, 08:54

Lets say the Obama Administration has had quit a few version of the story of Osama bin Laden's Death.

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?

Just asking because I smell a DEAD FISH SMELL!

slick64 · 05-20-2011, 08:55

So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

fnfalman · 05-20-2011, 08:56

I think that Obama needs to show me a Death Certificate for OBL.

I'm a "Deather" now. SHOW ME THE CERTIFICATE!!!

***Geko45*** · 05-20-2011, 08:58

Jamladen...

coastal4974 · 05-20-2011, 09:00

Dead

G36's Rule · 05-20-2011, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Jamladen...

Awesomely winning!

INJoker · 05-20-2011, 09:10

I don't believe it 100% because there are details of the operation that we will never (and should never) know.

His daughter claims the team spoke with him, questioned him, identified him, then executed him.

Having read a few books written by former Delta/DEVGRU guys, that doesn't really jive with what they are trained to do or with the personality attributes they look for when selecting them. They're not executioners. That said, I'm sure whoever planned the operation made it clear that bin Laden was not to leave the house alive - which is fine by me.

I'm not going to speculate anymore on something I really don't know much about - but I think if there were any glaring discrepancies, at least a few of them would have come to light by now.

9mmNJ · 05-20-2011, 09:11

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Originally Posted by slick64

So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

Whats to say he wasn't taken alive and is in secret custody somewhere? Any high ranking Al Qaeda member would still not be able to contact him, assume the story released is valid, and confirm death.

Personally I believe he is dead, but plenty of valid arguments can be made that its possible he's not.

IndianaMatt · 05-20-2011, 09:15

Nope.

I need to see the death certificate.

Followed by his kindergarten school transcripts.

lols.

M2 Carbine · 05-20-2011, 09:16

I believe virtually nothing that comes out of Washington and especially anything that comes out of obama's mouth.
Hell, they can't even get a single story together to tell the public.

I think Osama is dead but that's about all I believe.

Cruiser1 · 05-20-2011, 09:16

I could care less how the SOB was taken out. Now lets to the same to a few more of the scum.

NanH · 05-20-2011, 09:19

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Originally Posted by akapennypincher

Do you personally believe what we are being told 110%.

About when Osama bin Laden was taken out?

That Osama bin Laden is really dead?

No such thing as 110%. But yes.

**Gregg702** · 05-20-2011, 09:25

If he were still alive, you would think he would release a new video, to make us look bad. I say that there is very little chance he is still drawing in breath.

slick64 · 05-20-2011, 09:25

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Originally Posted by 9mmNJ

Whats to say he wasn't taken alive and is in secret custody somewhere? Any high ranking Al Qaeda member would still not be able to contact him, assume the story released is valid, and confirm death.

Personally I believe he is dead, but plenty of valid arguments can be made that its possible he's not.

Because their biggest accomplishment since 9/11 was throwing in our face how he was still alive. I also wouldn't trust his daughter's version of things, since that naturally puts this whole thing in a bad light.

I don't have a problem believing that he was taken out during a firefight.

fnfalman · 05-20-2011, 09:29

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Originally Posted by slick64

Because their biggest accomplishment since 9/11 was throwing in our face how he was still alive. I also wouldn't trust his daughter's version of things, since that naturally puts this whole thing in a bad light.

I don't have a problem believing that he was taken out during a firefight.

I don't have a problem with OBL gotten tortured then summarily executed either. Soldiers aren't cops and OBL ain't an American.

Booker · 05-20-2011, 09:31

No, not without evidence.

Imagine being on a jury and the DA tells you that they have a video of the defendant committing a crime, but they won't show you the video. Just take their word for it and convict the scumbag! Would you?

Joshhtn · 05-20-2011, 09:32

Dead= Yes.

In the bottom of the ocean= No.

slick64 · 05-20-2011, 09:34

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

I don't have a problem with OBL gotten tortured then summarily executed either. Soldiers aren't cops and OBL ain't an American.

I just doubt given their professionalism that would happen, and especially more so given the 40mins in and out for the mission. (If that's accurate).

They would have gotten out as quickly as possible once mission accomplished I would imagine.

gemeinschaft · 05-20-2011, 09:43

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Originally Posted by slick64

So you don't believe Al Queda's confirmation?

I believe that AQ's confirmation stating that the United States killed OBL only goes to serve their purpose.

Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

OBL has never been anything more than a pawn with money, he was not the leader of AQ and I don't believe that we killed him in an operation a couple of weeks ago.

It would have been in the best interest of our country to make OBL disappear like Jimmy Hoffa and no one ever know what ended up with him. This would leave his mission unfinished and not give AQ any more fuel for their Jihadist cause.

KSM was the architect of 9/11, OBL helped finance, but Zaymin Al-Zawahiri is the the real brain behind AQ and as far as I know, he is out there.

The Obama Administration did nothing to help this country by claiming to have killed OBL, other than to further their cause.

Read the Quoran, the Hadiths and the Suras; get a view from their eyes and you will see that this fits right into their strategy.

With every day that passes, I wonder what has happened to our great Nation. The people of the United States seem to be getting dumber and dumber.

And as far as SEAL Team 6 or any SpecOps unit for that matter, they would have preferred not to be front page news. There is a reason to remain a Quiet Professional.

It sure did take the spotlight off of Obama for a while and some people still believe what was reported, but don't believe everything you hear.

To add insult to injury, Obama spoke about observing Muslim customs when disposing of OBL's body...

I am not a citizen of the World as our President seems to think, I am an American. Until people come to that realization, we are doomed.

wjv · 05-20-2011, 09:58

Don't care if he was shot, stabbed, thrown out of an helio, died from watching too much porn, or committed suicide. The dirt bag is DOA. . .

slick64 · 05-20-2011, 10:06

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

I believe that AQ's confirmation stating that the United States killed OBL only goes to serve their purpose.

Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

He had many chances to become a martyr though.

fnfalman · 05-20-2011, 10:07

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Originally Posted by slick64

I just doubt given their professionalism that would happen, and especially more so given the 40mins in and out for the mission. (If that's accurate).

They would have gotten out as quickly as possible once mission accomplished I would imagine.

Granted that I'm not a trained commando, but I'm willing to bet I'd have taken an additional minute to pull out some fingernails or toenails.

4 glocks · 05-20-2011, 10:20

I saw him at McDonalds buying a McRib maybe that was Elvis.

***Rabbi*** · 05-20-2011, 10:28

I dont believe we know all the details and I accept that some of what we do know may be false. However I am pretty sure he was killed, in a raid, in a general way they say it happens.

It passes all the tests. Large numbers of people, on BOTH sides and anyone who would know says it happened, Our military, their military, his family, his family that was THERE, his group... and the cost for lying about it would be very high.

The people who say "it didnt happen" (Tin foilers) are giving people on the fence of what the problem with tin foilers is, a textbook example of why it is flawed thinking. Here is a group of people, who have no connenction with the events at all, saying "I know something no one else knows...or agrees with..." (which is Tin Foiler MO)

highfructosecornsyrp · 05-20-2011, 10:30

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

Giving credit to Obama's claim, makes OBL a martyr to Islam - this is what OBL wanted and actually completes his mission.

OBL has never been anything more than a pawn with money, he was not the leader of AQ and I don't believe that we killed him in an operation a couple of weeks ago.

So Osama is now a martyr and inspirational figure in the muslim world, but before that he was only a pawn. In your viewpoint, it seems like it would have been better to keep him alive, a pawn instead of an inspiration?

Seems ridiculous to me.