GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-20-2011, 18:20   #1
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Which grain for .308 Winchester

Ok guys , hunting here in Texas with a 308 win . My question is which grain is best for deer and hogs , 150,165, or180 ? Closest is 30 yds furthest is 300. Thanx
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2011, 19:31   #2
RRTX11
Senior Member
 
RRTX11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 363
Any .308 grain medium or big game hunting bullet will do. Barnes, Hornady, Remington Core Lokt, Nosler Partition, Winchester Supreme or Ballistic Silvertip in the 160 gr range will be more than sufficient to harvest deer or hawg as long as the round is properly placed. My favorite factory round is the Federal Premium with a 165 Gr Sierra GameKing. Sierra in my opinion are the best and most accurate hunting bullets I have used. Your rifle will tell you which of these ammo's it likes best. Some of these may not shoot a 6 inch group in yours no matter what you do. I do prefer something in the 160-170 gr range though.

I reload all my .308 ammo using:
Lake City Brass
168 Gr Moly Sierra GameKing HPBT
42.2 Gr IMR 4064 or 42.8 Gr IMR 4895
Winchester Large Rifle Primers

Thru my remington 700, I can put 5 rounds essentially through the same hole with this recipe at 100 yds, and it is a great medium to big game round. Has harvested a lot of animals the last few years with minimal to no tracking involved.

You have to do your end of it though by making a good, clean shot.
RRTX11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2011, 21:52   #3
noway
Senior Member
 
noway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Davie "Cowboy" , FL
Posts: 19,409
The colonel

I think you ask this same question like once a year.. The best bullet for one animal is probably not going to be the best for another. Same thing can be said for a shot at 30 yards vrs 300yards.

Now some are going to debate what I'm going to state, but for any deer to include mule deer, you don't need anything heavier than a 150grain bullet. YOU can use anything you want, but a heavier bullet, is not going to make a deer any deader. Also you don't need a premium bullet to kill a deer.

On to what's best in YOUR gun, and with your markmanship skills might not be best for me, or joe or pete or john. Only you know.

A general rule; heavier bullets in the same caliber typically has better BC, more penetration, is slower, and has more recoil.

I found over the years, you want a bullet that's reliable and that you know inside and out. You need to know trajectory more and more than what's best. So your rifle zero at 100 but shooting at 300yards, do you know the drop? Do you know the distance with any accuracy ( how can you tell if that deer is standing broadside at 230 vrs 300,330,380 yards )
And yes a gun zero at 100yards might miss a deer flat out at 380yards if you can't judge the distance and don't know the trajectory.

fwiw

a zero @ 100yards would put most 308winny bullets at 14" or more which could be a easy miss & outside of your PBR.

I myself like winchester sliver box in my 30-06. BUT your best is to get a few boxes, hit the range, shoot off the bench and non-bench, and she what it can do & more importantly YOU can do.
noway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2011, 16:50   #4
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Rrtx11 thank you . Noway thanks and at least I don't ask the same question every month. I understand what you are saying . I wasn't talking about bullet drop and shot placement . I'll figure out that later I was just asking which grain to use on deer and hogs ......
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 10:57   #5
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Thank you both anybody else ?
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 17:10   #6
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Talk to me people ....????
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 19:40   #7
boomchakabowwow
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: bay area, california
Posts: 124
150 grain nosler partition. i've killed plenty of deer and hogs with this bullet. but out of a 30.06..all texas and new mexico game.

you shouldnt have any issues.
boomchakabowwow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 19:54   #8
bustedknee
Curmudgeon
 
bustedknee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Wythe County, VA
Posts: 4,201
It seems to me the 165 is the best weight bullet for 30 caliber.

It has the proper weight vs length vs diameter for accuracy.
The 165 boat tail looks like it is actually picking up speed while the others are slowing down. (It isn't really speeding up, it just slows less).

Unless going after the big bears or moose, I shoot the 165's for everything.
For the big bears and moose I have a 338 WM.

If I buy loaded ammo I get the 168 grn Winchester Ballistic Silvertip.
IMPRESSIVE!
http://www.winchester.com/products/r.../SBST308A.aspx
__________________
"I am old, sick, and tired of living. If you feel the need to mess with me, go right ahead." My Uncle, with his hand on his pistol, talking to a troublemaker. 2-13-1935 -- 2-1-2013
bustedknee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 21:29   #9
RWBlue
CLM Number 120
Mr. CISSP, CISA
 
RWBlue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 27,340
The grains in the bullet shouldn't matter.

Which is most accurate for you and your gun?

I like/prefer a Federal 165gr premium ammo, but I have used everything from 125gr-220gr bullets for different things.

Bullet construction DOES matter. The 125gr bullets were varmint rounds. The 240gr were match bullets. The standard 150 and 165 gr bullets for big game.
__________________
One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine.
RWBlue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-22-2011, 22:02   #10
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Now were cooking with peanut oil people.....
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2011, 11:31   #11
Esox357
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Northern Capital Region
Posts: 1,868
165 or 168 grain is my preference in the 308. You can step down to a 150 grain if your rifle likes it better. I would use a Hornady 165 Interlock for deer and hogs it will work great.
__________________
Hit the pickle!
Esox357 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2011, 16:19   #12
M1A Shooter
Senior Member
 
M1A Shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Clarksville, TN
Posts: 3,595
Send a message via Yahoo to M1A Shooter
i like heavier bullets. if you are shooting a remington with a 1:12 twist, id go with a 165-168gr. if its a savage or some remingtons with a 1:10 twist, i like 175-180 grain bullets.

i will be looking at loading some 180gr ballistic tips soon. most common bullet in my family is the remington core-lokt 180gr in 30-06 for what thats worth. im looking for a good mix of long range precision and effective hunting bullet.
__________________
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
M1A Shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2011, 23:12   #13
Big Bird
NRA Life Member
 
Big Bird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 10,039
Shoot 150 grain bullets for deer and pigs. Inside of 300 yards there's no practical difference between any .308 load that matters on iota in term of deer killin'. As has already been mentioned--you don't need a premium bullet for this job. Plain ole' Remington Green Box or Winchester Power Points will get the job done if you don't jerk the trigger to hard....
__________________
Big Bird,

“Est Nulla Via Invia Virute”
Big Bird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 07:13   #14
EAJuggalo
Senior Member
 
EAJuggalo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Eagan, MN
Posts: 1,984
Send a message via AIM to EAJuggalo Send a message via Yahoo to EAJuggalo


But the further you get out the more the quality control and overall quality of components will matter.

The biggest question is what what does your rifle like best? My Marlin XS7 loves Hornady 150 gr. SST, with that combo I've got a MOA gun and scope combo for less than $400.
__________________
People killed by:
MN permit holders 3
MPLS Light Rail 9
Updated 3-22-13
EAJuggalo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 07:18   #15
sourdough44
Senior Member
 
sourdough44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: WI
Posts: 2,324
165 grn traditional bullet, 150 grn with a TSX type copper bullet.
sourdough44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 14:10   #16
EL COLONEL
Senior Member
 
EL COLONEL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: S.A. TEXAS
Posts: 1,763
Thank you people and good hunting ! ......
__________________
COLONEL MARTINEZ
EL COLONEL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 14:47   #17
fgutie35
Senior Member
 
fgutie35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: deep southeast Texas
Posts: 2,647
I just killed a deer @ 225yrds and a Javalina at 80yrds on the same day. Both were shot with core-locks 150gr out of a 30-06 savage. Both fell to the floor at impact. So despite what many will tell you, bullet weight don't play much of a factor under these conditions as it is accuracy. Maybe farther out, it will matter the weight (wind deflection, ballistic drop, bullet coeficient, etc..etc).
__________________
A good firearm, is the one that puts food on the table.
fgutie35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 19:16   #18
RRTX11
Senior Member
 
RRTX11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 363
Quote:
Originally Posted by fgutie35 View Post
I just killed a deer @ 225yrds and a Javalina at 80yrds on the same day. Both were shot with core-locks 150gr out of a 30-06 savage. Both fell to the floor at impact. So despite what many will tell you, bullet weight don't play much of a factor under these conditions as it is accuracy. Maybe farther out, it will matter the weight (wind deflection, ballistic drop, bullet coeficient, etc..etc).

Congrats on your harvest. I believe most of us have said at the end of the day what is most important is accuracy, and that bullet weight/style have LESS importance than accuracy.
RRTX11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2011, 20:12   #19
TScottW99
NRA Life Member
 
TScottW99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Roanoke, VA
Posts: 3,111
Send a message via Yahoo to TScottW99
I shoot the 180 grain Corelokts out of my .308win and have no problems with them. Shoot 7/8" groups at 100 yards and drop deer. I use the 180 because we have so many bears where I hunt and deer and bear season cross for about a week. Have no problem using that bullet on a black bear.
__________________
"When you're afraid, keep your mind on what you have to do. And if you have been thoroughly prepared, you will not be afraid."

- Dale Carnegie
TScottW99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2011, 07:48   #20
fgutie35
Senior Member
 
fgutie35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: deep southeast Texas
Posts: 2,647
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRTX11 View Post
Congrats on your harvest. I believe most of us have said at the end of the day what is most important is accuracy, and that bullet weight/style have LESS importance than accuracy.
Thanks.
__________________
A good firearm, is the one that puts food on the table.
fgutie35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2011, 13:22   #21
K.Kiser
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Shreveport, La.
Posts: 1,452
If you can get it in box ammo, the Nosler Accubonds are wonderful bullets... Accurate as any hunting rifle needs to be, and have very good penetration and weight retention... The Partitions are awesome as well, and the Barnes X family of bullets are as deadly as anything out there but some rifles don't fire them with exceptional accuracy although my A-bolt will keep them an 1" or under but My Ruger wouldn't... I consistantly have bad results from Sierra Gameking boat tail bullets seperating in .284 160 gr., but a 180 in .308 may be better... Nosler Partitons, and Accubonds with a 150 being the lightest that I recommend will deliver the goods I promise... The are many others to list like a fail-safe, Scirocco's, grand slams, etc. but the Partitions, and Accubonds seem to have the best of what I need from a high performance hunting bullet in terms of accuracy, tissue performance, and less barrel fouling than some of the all copper bullets...

Last edited by K.Kiser; 11-13-2011 at 13:23..
K.Kiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 17:17   #22
ebm1973
CLM Number 267
Charter Lifetime Member
 
ebm1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 714
I'd try a 155 gr Lapua Scenar.

It's a fast, high BC round that is known for being very accurate, and is capable of taking game up to Elk.

Hard to go wrong if your rifle likes it.
__________________
Regards - Eric
California Glockers Club member #127
G29
ebm1973 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 17:31   #23
ebm1973
CLM Number 267
Charter Lifetime Member
 
ebm1973's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 714
Here's a good article: http://www.6mmbr.com/308win.html
__________________
Regards - Eric
California Glockers Club member #127
G29
ebm1973 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2012, 16:01   #24
gator378
Gator378
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: St. Peters, Mo, USA
Posts: 579
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRTX11 View Post
Any .308 grain medium or big game hunting bullet will do. Barnes, Hornady, Remington Core Lokt, Nosler Partition, Winchester Supreme or Ballistic Silvertip in the 160 gr range will be more than sufficient to harvest deer or hawg as long as the round is properly placed. My favorite factory round is the Federal Premium with a 165 Gr Sierra GameKing. Sierra in my opinion are the best and most accurate hunting bullets I have used. Your rifle will tell you which of these ammo's it likes best. Some of these may not shoot a 6 inch group in yours no matter what you do. I do prefer something in the 160-170 gr range though.

I reload all my .308 ammo using:
Lake City Brass
168 Gr Moly Sierra GameKing HPBT
42.2 Gr IMR 4064 or 42.8 Gr IMR 4895
Winchester Large Rifle Primers

Thru my remington 700, I can put 5 rounds essentially through the same hole with this recipe at 100 yds, and it is a great medium to big game round. Has harvested a lot of animals the last few years with minimal to no tracking involved.

You have to do your end of it though by making a good, clean shot.
I had good results with Sierra 200 grain SBT at 2300 fps. Surprised me as this is heavy for 308.
__________________
gator378
gator378 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:17.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 804
238 Members
566 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42