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Old 10-29-2011, 19:40   #1
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.40 S&W Lone Wolf Barrel: Failing "Plunk" test :(

(Apologies in advance if this thread has been discussed in a different way. I take responsibility for a) poor searching, b) impatience, c) laziness, or d) all of the above)

I'm a bit frustrated, wanted to see if folks have suggestions here:

I have a Lone Wolf barrel that I used several months ago in a USPSA competition with my reloads. I had MANY failures to chamber. I think I used up all my cuss words that day, even my more unusual combinations.

I'm finally revisiting using my LW barrel, but I'm noticing that my reloads do an awful job of just dropping in and easily turning. I don't have this problem with factory loads, and both factory and my reloads work fine in my Glock barrel.

At this point, I know some of you are saying, "Just send the barrel back to LW, they'll fix it!" My concern is if this is a problem with my dies more than my LW barrel. I use a Lee Turret Press with Lee dies. Here's what I run with my reloads:
OAL: 1.125
Cartridge dia: 0.422
Bullet: Montana Gold 155gr FMJ

My "reference" bullet, a Hornady TAP
OAL: 1.130
Dia: 0.421
Bullet: 155gr Hornady TAP JHP

I know some folks suggest the Lee Bulge Buster, but others say the normal Lee resizer will do the job just fine. Is this a normal problem people see in aftermarket barrels? I'm not bashing the awesome folks at LW, I'm just curious if I need to change how I size my reloads, cuz what I got don't seem to be working
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Old 10-29-2011, 20:25   #2
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LWD barrels have been know to be short throated. Simple fix is to send it back with several dummy loads and then will ream it out for you.
If you concerned about sizing and bulge of the cases.... easy determining that.... size a couple cases them check them in the barrel before seating a bullet first. If they go in then and not after seating the bullet it's your bullet profile and OAL not case bulge .
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Old 10-29-2011, 20:47   #3
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Thanks, Boxer -- now that I think about it, it _does_ feel short-throated regarding the stickiness (as if it's catching on the neck, not on the sidewalls of the casing. I'll just sent it in to LW, I know they'll set it right, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something I was missing on my reloading process.
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Old 10-29-2011, 21:21   #4
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The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.

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Old 10-29-2011, 21:30   #5
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I have another brand barrel for .40 in my G33 and it is giving my reloads fits at times. I had to go and move my crimp die lower on my Dillon and it helped a bunch. I have hundreds of rounds already made up, so it's like going thru them and sticking them in position 4, then drop test them in the barrel. A few still didn't make it, so those are for the G22.
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The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.
ANY aftermarket barrel for a Glock will be tighter compared to the OEM, LWD's are just know to be short throated at times. I've owned a few and never had to send one in personally. Most only have issues with lead bullets with very rounded ogive. I'm thinking of getting another for my G34 soon but will definitely order direct from LWD and have them bore the throat out longer to accommodate my 135g moly coated 9mm loads. LWD makes a great barrel, especially for the money.
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So what's the rest of the story on LW barrels? Do they meet the SAMMI spec or not?

I know the Glock chambers are loose, no problem. But if LW are smaller than SAMMI then how could reloads ever work? The fact that they have to recut the chamber is worrisome.

If my reloads fit a cartridge gauge, I would certainly expect them to fit a barrel.

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So what's the rest of the story on LW barrels? Do they meet the SAMMI spec or not?

I know the Glock chambers are loose, no problem. But if LW are smaller than SAMMI then how could reloads ever work? The fact that they have to recut the chamber is worrisome.

If my reloads fit a cartridge gauge, I would certainly expect them to fit a barrel.

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Depends on the gauge, Dillons and LE Wilson gauges are on the loose side of the SAMMI spec, EGW are tight.
The issue with LWD at times is they are short throated, like some CZ barrels. Becomes more evident with heavier flatter bullets profiles loaded long in OAL.
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The chamber on the Glock barrel is loose and oversize compared to "match grade" barrels. I don't have a LW barrel myself but I'd bet the chamber is quite a bit smaller in ID than your Glock barrel. I was thinking of maybe picking a LW up for reloads with lead to save money, now I'm reconsidering.
The LW chamber isn't "match grade", it's just too ****ing small.

The Glock chamber isn't "oversize", my Beretta 96 Chamber is substantially bigger. If Glock and Beretta are making their chambers a certain size, it's not "oversized", it is the correct size.

LW is a scam. They deliberately make their chambers smaller, which is not some kind of technological accomplishment, nor does it require any kind of "precision". Then they snow people into thinking because it is different it must be better?

I'll put my faith in companies that have made millions and millions of guns for, in the case of Beretta centuries, before I threw in with some cnc company that I could have started up myself even though I have no knowledge of machining. I can't read a blue print, but I could plug a piece of cnc equipment into the wall, put the word "precision" in my company name, and sell "match grade" parts that don't work.
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This will tell you how to check your sizing die and OAL. Among other things.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1375623
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LWD barrels have been know to be short throated. Simple fix is to send it back with several dummy loads and then will ream it out for you.
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WiskyT,

I'm afraid I agree with you. I have LW barrels for my 23, 37, and 21, and I regret getting each of them. There is no improvement in accuracy, in fact the opposite. There is no improvement in feeding, in fact the opposite. There is no reduction in leading, in fact the opposite. I don't think LWD intentionally misleads, or produces an inferior product. I just think Glock barrels are extremely well designed and damn-near impossible to improve on.

I got each of the LW barrels because I wanted to shoot lead thru them. Unfortunately it is very difficult to get lead reloads to chamber consistently. The leading is worse in the LW barrels than in the Glock factory barrels, especially with 21bnh hardcast. No leading in the glock barrels, but some leading in the LW barrels. It might be terrible leading in the LW barrels, but getting more than a few rounds to chamber is difficult.

I tried factory jacketed ammo in all three and the accuracy is not as good as with a factory barrel. Feeding is less than reliable, too.

When the primary reason an aftermarket barrel exists is to allow the use of lead reloads, I shouldn't have to send the barrel back to the manufacterer to have it modified in order to get the thing to feed, chamber and shoot lead reloads reliably. I think the tolerances are way too tight, especially since they don't seem to improve any aspect of the barrel's performance other than preventing case bulges. I don't get any bulged brass with any of my Gen 3 Glock barrels, so that isn't really an improvement anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, Glock barrels are absolutely fantastic. I shoot lead, jacketed, plated, factory, reloads, everything, thru them, and I have yet to find any reason to complain or ask for improvement. Unless the configuration I want is not available as a factory barrel, I will not buy aftermarket barrels. I've ordered a KKM Glock 21 10mm conversion barrel, and will offer feedback on that barrel after it arrives. If the stock 20 barrel would work in the 21 slide, I would have gone with that option instead. Hopefully, the KKM barrel works better than the LWD barrels do.

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I'm afraid I agree with you. I have LW barrels for my 23, 37, and 21, and I regret getting each of them. There is no improvement in accuracy, in fact the opposite. There is no improvement in feeding, in fact the opposite. There is no reduction in leading, in fact the opposite. I don't think LWD intentionally misleads, or produces an inferior product. I just think Glock barrels are extremely well designed and damn-near impossible to improve on.

I got each of the LW barrels because I wanted to shoot lead thru them. Unfortunately it is very difficult to get lead reloads to chamber consistently. The leading is worse in the LW barrels than in the Glock factory barrels, especially with 21bnh hardcast. No leading in the glock barrels, but some leading in the LW barrels. It might be terrible leading in the LW barrels, but getting more than a few rounds to chamber is difficult.

I tried factory jacketed ammo in all three and the accuracy is not as good as with a factory barrel. Feeding is less than reliable, too.

When the primary reason an aftermarket barrel exists is to allow the use of lead reloads, I shouldn't have to send the barrel back to the manufacterer to have it modified in order to get the thing to feed, chamber and shoot lead reloads reliably. I think the tolerances are way too tight, especially since they don't seem to improve any aspect of the barrel's performance other than preventing case bulges. I don't get any bulged brass with any of my Gen 3 Glock barrels, so that isn't really an improvement anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, Glock barrels are absolutely fantastic. I shoot lead, jacketed, plated, factory, reloads, everything, thru them, and I have yet to find any reason to complain or ask for improvement. Unless the configuration I want is not available as a factory barrel, I will not buy aftermarket barrels. I've ordered a KKM Glock 21 10mm conversion barrel, and will offer feedback on that barrel after it arrives. If the stock 20 barrel would work in the 21 slide, I would have gone with that option instead. Hopefully, the KKM barrel works better than the LWD barrels do.
I think KKM has a better reputation than LW based on what I read. Caliber conversion is a good point, but companies like BarSto have been making quality stuff for 40 years. KKM may be on par with BarSto, and there may be others, I haven't shopped around for any of that stuff, but LW isn't in that league.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:28   #14
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In 40 SW my glock barrel is .0425
In 40 SW my LW barrel is .0422
Both are within Sammi specs.
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SO its you not the barrel!

Adjust your dies better.
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.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.
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I know you don't want to hear it, but send it back with a few dummy cartridges. I had to, and I haven't had a problem since. You'll hear negative feedback on this, but I also started using the Lee FCD just to be on the safe side. In the final analysis, I decided that I really didn't need anything but the Glock barrel, especially for shooting jacketed, but I have the LW and it does get a little use.
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I have a KKM. I have also had a LW. LW is not as well done as a KKM. It also would not shoot Moly with out leading. My Glock barrel won't shoot lead. It's Wine Barrel shaped (smaller on the ends, bigger in the middle). My KKM is perfect. Both the LW and KKM are tighter then Glock. I never had issues loading for either barrel. They guy who bought my LW couldn't get it to work with his reloads either. He had to get it opened up. To me it's a reloaders equipment issue.
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I've currently have a lw .40 barrell for my g33 for 3 years. I shoot only swc lead reloads thru it. One time I had a problem, but it was with the last step in the reloading process, the crimp. Got that straightened out, runs like a sewing machine. Occasionally, Ill have a ftf but I blame it on my reloads. I've got thousands thru this barrell, I would buy it again, also, no leading.

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.422" is smaller then SAAMI spec for a Cartridge. I have never seen numbers for SAAMI spec for a Barrel.
Yup. with a 0.401" bullet, 0.422" doesn't leave much room for the brass does it? Not to mention a dog hair or two that can find it's way in there.
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My Glock barrel won't shoot lead. It's Wine Barrel shaped (smaller on the ends, bigger in the middle).
How do you know that (that it's "wine barrel shaped"? Have you ever tried a medium burning powder with the cast bullets? Didn't you have problems shooting cast bullets initially with your aftermarket barrels?
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