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11-01-2011, 19:50
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Green Tip- Coming Ban?
I was at a Gun show in the DFW area this last week. Two dealers were selling 62 gr green tip .223 ammo- No big deal Maybe more dealers I don't know.
The two that caught my eye had hand drawn signs, stating that as of Feb 2012 that this steel core ammo would not be available to civilians any longer. Does anyone else have any info on this restriction?
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11-01-2011, 20:00
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Probably just looking to boost their sales. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen questionable business ethic at a gun show.
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11-01-2011, 20:13
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My shooting buddy told me just yesterday that he read where our armed forces are looking for even more penetration than the green tip can deliver. A new round has been developed with a steel tip and copper body (similar to a steel-tipped Barnes, I assume) and the 62 grain green tip will become obsolete. The new ammo will still be made in Lake City, but will cost up to 3 times as much to produce.
I have been seeing the green tip in ammo cans for sale in far more places than ever before over the past 3 or 4 months. I read where somebody bought a can at a Wal-Mart in Missouri recently. I don't shoot it that much, but will be looking to get another can or 2 just in case.
Last edited by boone10; 11-01-2011 at 20:15..
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11-01-2011, 20:35
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Originally Posted by boone10
My shooting buddy told me just yesterday that he read where our armed forces are looking for even more penetration than the green tip can deliver. A new round has been developed with a steel tip and copper body (similar to a steel-tipped Barnes, I assume) and the 62 grain green tip will become obsolete. The new ammo will still be made in Lake City, but will cost up to 3 times as much to produce.
I have been seeing the green tip in ammo cans for sale in far more places than ever before over the past 3 or 4 months. I read where somebody bought a can at a Wal-Mart in Missouri recently. I don't shoot it that much, but will be looking to get another can or 2 just in case.
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That would be awesome! Surplus steel tipped 556!
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11-01-2011, 21:05
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Thats a load of BS, just some prick sellers with a agenda.
I have seen some good prices on "Not for Duty Use" marked green tip for the last few months. I am guessing a bad lot that the military is dumping on civilians. Wonder how bad the ammo has to preform for this to happen. 1-5 in 1000 fail to fire or something?
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11-01-2011, 23:16
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Typical gun show BS. Man, I hate those aholes.
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11-02-2011, 00:20
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A bunch of BS as said above.
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11-02-2011, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Cole125
Thats a load of BS, just some prick sellers with a agenda.
I have seen some good prices on "Not for Duty Use" marked green tip for the last few months. I am guessing a bad lot that the military is dumping on civilians. Wonder how bad the ammo has to preform for this to happen. 1-5 in 1000 fail to fire or something?
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or it fails the accuracy requirement, or there was a mistake in the production etc.
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11-02-2011, 10:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cole125
Thats a load of BS, just some prick sellers with a agenda.
I have seen some good prices on "Not for Duty Use" marked green tip for the last few months. I am guessing a bad lot that the military is dumping on civilians. Wonder how bad the ammo has to preform for this to happen. 1-5 in 1000 fail to fire or something?
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I have a case of that. If functions fine and its flawless. I thought Not for Duty Use was a note for police not to use it because it penetrates so well.
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11-02-2011, 11:17
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Originally Posted by american lockpicker
I have a case of that. If functions fine and its flawless. I thought Not for Duty Use was a note for police not to use it because it penetrates so well.
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Think again Che, it's because it doesn't meet the reliability, or accuracy requirements to be issued as duty ammunition. It's a crap shoot whether it performs well or not.
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11-02-2011, 11:55
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In the last few years I have noticed more idiots selling at gun shows. They don't have a clue what they are talking most of the time and fill in their lack of knowledge with piles of BS.
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11-02-2011, 14:38
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I called up Federal and left a message so I'm wait and see what they have to say. I doubt they would sell inferior ammo to the civilian market.
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11-02-2011, 14:57
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natchez is having a sale, $300 for 1K rds i believe
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11-02-2011, 14:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by american lockpicker
I called up Federal and left a message so I'm wait and see what they have to say. I doubt they would sell inferior ammo to the civilian market.
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Military/LEO ammo has a different quality standard then civilian ammunition. There are different contract standards. How often do you hear of problems with winchester white box ammunition compared to winchester ranger or other winchester self defense ammunition types?
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11-02-2011, 17:53
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I bet the bad ammo kills paper well enough.
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11-02-2011, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Spiffums
I bet the bad ammo kills paper well enough.
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Yes and it'l piss off the owners of steel targets too! 
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11-02-2011, 21:30
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Originally Posted by BlackPaladin
A bunch of BS as said above.
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11-03-2011, 08:47
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Federal would not release ammo that was not safe to shoot.....too much liability. probably some minor issue at the Tax Payers expense, Mike.
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11-03-2011, 08:48
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Originally Posted by samuse
Yes and it'l piss off the owners of steel targets too! |
Not funny. I have a $120 idpa ar500 steel target that I bring to the range and you bet your a** if I caught a ahole shooting it with AP that he'd be buying my target.
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11-03-2011, 08:57
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Yes and it'l piss off the owners of steel targets too! |
Really? Because my range allows M855 on steel targets.
They are not, after all, armor-piercing. Heck 7mm Mag Nosler Partitions will do a heck of a lot more damage to a steel plate.
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11-03-2011, 09:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 12131
Typical gun show BS. Man, I hate those aholes.
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Check this out: http://www.natchezss.com/Ammo.cfm?co...2,500%20rounds
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Last edited by Glockdude1; 11-03-2011 at 09:02..
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11-03-2011, 09:25
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Group buy tiime. Anyone up for it?
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11-03-2011, 09:38
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Originally Posted by m2hmghb
Think again Che, it's because it doesn't meet the reliability, or accuracy requirements to be issued as duty ammunition. It's a crap shoot whether it performs well or not.
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More than likely the lot did not meet the velocity standards so therefore was rejected. My understanding is the foreign SS109 we see here is the same story.
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11-03-2011, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Fireman1291
Not funny. I have a $120 idpa ar500 steel target that I bring to the range and you bet your a** if I caught a ahole shooting it with AP that he'd be buying my target.
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M855, is NOT AP.
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11-03-2011, 13:15
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Ok talked to a guy at Federal and he said its because of the sealants that its not for duty use. Any for duty use ammo is only sold to the military apparently.
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