[Paul7]

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

"Almost two-thirds (65%) “repudiate absolutely” this Islamist terrorist organisation. On the other hand, a significant minority of respondents do not. As Winn and Leuprecht note, “From a security perspective, it is difficult to know if a 65% rate of repudiation [of Al Qaeda] is re-assuring or a 35% failure to repudiate troubling.”

Also troubling is the news that only a small minority of Muslim newcomers surveyed unequivocally reject Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Iranian regime. Support for the Muslim Brotherhood was stronger than expected, and not limited to Muslims who emigrated from the Middle East. In findings that will reverberate in both immigration and security policy, support for extremism was found to be just as high among Muslims born in Canada or other industrialized countries as among those coming from oppressive dictatorships, and “the most radical political views tended to be expressed by relatively secular people, often equipped with higher education in the social sciences."


How is this not a big problem?

[kirgi08]

B.O.T.G,ready ta go.'08.

[hogfish]

Run, Rudolph, run.

Unfortunately, that's the way most of us are.

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

"Almost two-thirds (65%) “repudiate absolutely” this Islamist terrorist organisation. On the other hand, a significant minority of respondents do not. As Winn and Leuprecht note, “From a security perspective, it is difficult to know if a 65% rate of repudiation [of Al Qaeda] is re-assuring or a 35% failure to repudiate troubling.”

Also troubling is the news that only a small minority of Muslim newcomers surveyed unequivocally reject Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Iranian regime. Support for the Muslim Brotherhood was stronger than expected, and not limited to Muslims who emigrated from the Middle East. In findings that will reverberate in both immigration and security policy, support for extremism was found to be just as high among Muslims born in Canada or other industrialized countries as among those coming from oppressive dictatorships, and “the most radical political views tended to be expressed by relatively secular people, often equipped with higher education in the social sciences."


How is this not a big problem?

That is a very big problem; if its true, that is.

You mean to tell me that every, single Canadian Muslim responded to this survey? Uh, no. You should retitle this thread, "35% of Canadian Muslims who responded to this particular survey do not repudiate al-Queda,"; you won't, though, because using broad generalizations when it comes to Muslims is what you want do in order to drive whatever point you're trying to make home.

The word repudiate has about five definitions:

1.) to reject as having no authority or driving force.
2.) to cast off or disown.
3.) to reject with disapproval or condemnation.
4.) to reject with denial.
5.) to refuse to acknowledge and/or pay a debt.

So, how do we know how the questions pertaining to al-Queda were asked of the respondants? Was it ,"Do you reject al-Queda has having any authority over anyone, anything or anywhere in the world?"; or how about, "Do you reject al-Queda and its tenets?"; maybe it was, "Do you approve of al-Queda and its tenets?"; could it have been, "Is al-Queda truly what its represented to be?"; or possibly, "Does al-Queda exist?"; or it could've just been, "Do you repudiate al-Queda?", and it was left to the individual respondant to ascertain which exact definition of repudiate to use.

I read the article in the link and looked over the paper titled, "What Do Muslim Canadians Want?"; I wasn't able to read the part of it in French.

These people were also alarmed how many of them did not reject Hamas. Depends on what they were asked about Hamas; do they reject the militant wing or the welfare wing? The militant wing, which launches rockets into Tel Aviv, I can see the rejection there, I reject that myself. The welfare wing, which provided free or inexpensive medical services, soup kitchens, social relief programs, funding schools and orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics and even sports leagues, I'm not sure I understand the rejection there. Rueven Paz, an Israeli scholar, estimates around 90% of Hamas' activities revolve around social, cultural, welfare and educational activities. Russia, Turkey and Switzerland don't consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization, either. Yet, these things aren't mentioned in the article; why is that?

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Akil8290

That is a very big problem; if its true, that is.

You mean to tell me that every, single Canadian Muslim responded to this survey? Uh, no. You should retitle this thread, "35% of Canadian Muslims who responded to this particular survey do not repudiate al-Queda,"; you won't, though, because using broad generalizations when it comes to Muslims is what you want do in order to drive whatever point you're trying to make home.

I assume the pollers know how to do their job.

The word repudiate has about five definitions:

1.) to reject as having no authority or driving force.
2.) to cast off or disown.
3.) to reject with disapproval or condemnation.
4.) to reject with denial.
5.) to refuse to acknowledge and/or pay a debt.

And I reject in all of those meanings Al-Queda, as I'm sure you do.

So, how do we know how the questions pertaining to al-Queda were asked of the respondants? Was it ,"Do you reject al-Queda has having any authority over anyone, anything or anywhere in the world?"; or how about, "Do you reject al-Queda and its tenets?"; maybe it was, "Do you approve of al-Queda and its tenets?"; could it have been, "Is al-Queda truly what its represented to be?"; or possibly, "Does al-Queda exist?"; or it could've just been, "Do you repudiate al-Queda?", and it was left to the individual respondant to ascertain which exact definition of repudiate to use.

I read the article in the link and looked over the paper titled, "What Do Muslim Canadians Want?"; I wasn't able to read the part of it in French.

These people were also alarmed how many of them did not reject Hamas. Depends on what they were asked about Hamas; do they reject the militant wing or the welfare wing? The militant wing, which launches rockets into Tel Aviv, I can see the rejection there, I reject that myself. The welfare wing, which provided free or inexpensive medical services, soup kitchens, social relief programs, funding schools and orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics and even sports leagues, I'm not sure I understand the rejection there. Rueven Paz, an Israeli scholar, estimates around 90% of Hamas' activities revolve around social, cultural, welfare and educational activities. Russia, Turkey and Switzerland don't consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization, either. Yet, these things aren't mentioned in the article; why is that?

Who would be against the philanthropic activities of Hamas? It's their terror activities that are the problem.

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

I assume the pollers know how to do their job.

The pollers probably do, but what about the media source reporting it? I understand its very difficult to conduct a poll of a certain demographic that takes in all of the contigencies; granted it was mentioned it was conducted on a sample group of Muslims, but where did they get them? Unless I missed it, there was no mention of how this poll was really conducted. Mailed in? Not likely, unless Canada keeps a registry of all of her Muslim citizens and immigrants, including converts. Conducted in a largely Muslim populated city or neighborhood? Could be, but where? How can we be sure it was entirely Muslims that responded to this poll; could people who weren't Muslim respond and say they supported al-Queda just to throw off the pollers and perpetuate the negative steretypes that are out there?

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

And I reject in all of those meanings Al-Queda, as I'm sure you do.

Of course.

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

Who would be against the philanthropic activities of Hamas? It's their terror activities that are the problem.

Of course, but the article presents support for Hamas in way that it is considered alarming. Canada considers Hamas to be a terrorist organization, just as we in the United States do, but when you look at American and I imagine Canadian media, Hamas isn't praised for their humanitarian efforts. Isn't Canada, or rather the MacDonald-Laurier institute projecting a bit here in this article?

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Akil8290

The pollers probably do, but what about the media source reporting it? I understand its very difficult to conduct a poll of a certain demographic that takes in all of the contigencies; granted it was mentioned it was conducted on a sample group of Muslims, but where did they get them? Unless I missed it, there was no mention of how this poll was really conducted. Mailed in? Not likely, unless Canada keeps a registry of all of her Muslim citizens and immigrants, including converts. Conducted in a largely Muslim populated city or neighborhood? Could be, but where? How can we be sure it was entirely Muslims that responded to this poll; could people who weren't Muslim respond and say they supported al-Queda just to throw off the pollers and perpetuate the negative steretypes that are out there?

This poll is not far off-base from what other ones say of Muslim societies, such as the one in Egypt that reveals there are 15,000,000 Al-Queda sympathizers there.

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

This poll is not far off-base from what other ones say of Muslim societies, such as the one in Egypt that reveals there are 15,000,000 Al-Queda sympathizers there.

A poll I've also challenged; both in its accuracy and representation of mainstream Islam and attitudes of Muslims.

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Akil8290

A poll I've also challenged; both in its accuracy and representation of mainstream Islam and attitudes of Muslims.

I think the ongoing persecution of Christians in Egypt by regular people, and the government, prove the truth of that poll. Al-Queda would not disagree with the crimes being done against Christians, all for the 'offense' of not being Muslim.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by Paul7

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

"Almost two-thirds (65%) “repudiate absolutely” this Islamist terrorist organisation. On the other hand, a significant minority of respondents do not. As Winn and Leuprecht note, “From a security perspective, it is difficult to know if a 65% rate of repudiation [of Al Qaeda] is re-assuring or a 35% failure to repudiate troubling.”

Also troubling is the news that only a small minority of Muslim newcomers surveyed unequivocally reject Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Iranian regime. Support for the Muslim Brotherhood was stronger than expected, and not limited to Muslims who emigrated from the Middle East. In findings that will reverberate in both immigration and security policy, support for extremism was found to be just as high among Muslims born in Canada or other industrialized countries as among those coming from oppressive dictatorships, and “the most radical political views tended to be expressed by relatively secular people, often equipped with higher education in the social sciences."


How is this not a big problem?

And... why is the above any surprise to anyone?

[Akil8290]

Originally Posted by Paul7

I think the ongoing persecution of Christians in Egypt by regular people, and the government, prove the truth of that poll. Al-Queda would not disagree with the crimes being done against Christians, all for the 'offense' of not being Muslim.

I wasn't aware that al-Queda ran Egypt. I know the Muslim Brotherhood has pull now, but al-Queda hates them, too.

No, al-Queda wouldn't disagree with those crimes and to them the crime would be not being a Muslim; a Muslim of their definition. If al-Queda could run over people with tanks or armored personel carriers, they would run over:
-about 90% of other Sunnis (myself included)
-Shia Muslims
-Christians
-Jews
-Athiests
-Homosexuals
-Buddhists
-Hindus
-Mormons
-Pagans

Pretty much about 99.9% of the world.

Again, I never denied the Copts suffer persecution in Egypt; I deny that attitude represents Islam and views of Muslims as a whole world wide.

[Akil8290]

Double post; my bad.

[DonGlock26]

Pew Research Center


About eight-in-ten American Muslims (81%)
say that suicide bombing and other forms of
violence against civilians are never justified in
order to defend Islam from its enemies. Just
8% say these tactics are often or sometimes
justified. There has been virtually no change in
these opinions since 2007.

So, 2 out of 10 agree that suicide bombing is justified.
That's 20%.

Just 5%have a very or somewhat favorable opinion of
al Qaeda; 11% have a somewhat unfavorable
view and 70% have a very unfavorable opinion.
The proportion of Muslim Americans with a
very unfavorable view of al Qaeda has
increased 12 points since 2007 (from 58%).

So, 16% of Muslims in the US don't have a very unfavorable opinion
of Al Qaeda.


Fewer than half of
Muslims in the Palestinian territories,
Indonesia, Egypt and Jordan express a very
unfavorable view of al Qaeda. Only in Lebanon
does a higher percentage of Muslims express a
very unfavorable opinion of al Qaeda (92%).

So, most likely less than 50% of Muslims overseas express a very unfavorable view of al Qaeda.


As in 2007, there is no group of Muslim Americans in which even a quarter expresses a favorable view of al Qaeda. More than half of native-born African Americans (56%) express very unfavorable opinions of al Qaeda, as do 67% of other native-born Muslims and 75% of foreign-born Muslims. The proportion of African American Muslims expressing very unfavorable opinions of al
Qaeda has increased 17 points from 39% four years ago. More foreign-born Muslims also express very unfavorable opinions of al Qaeda than in 2007 (75% today, 63% then).



Only 39% of African American Muslims had very unfavorable opinions of al
Qaeda four years ago!
African-American Muslims seem to be much more likely to not have a very unfavorable opinion of Al Qaeda than other Muslims in America.
This sounds like a very disloyal segment of the population.


More native-born Muslim Americans than
immigrant Muslims say they are concerned
about Islamic extremism in the U.S. Among
those born in the U.S., 73% are at least
somewhat concerned about the possible rise of
Islamic extremism in this country. By contrast,
just 53% of foreign-born Muslims say they are
at least somewhat concerned.

53%-73% of Muslims in America are concerned about Islamic extremism in the U.S. Why are no progressives here at PF concerned????




http://people-press.org/files/2011/0...can-report.pdf