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Old 11-13-2011, 10:48   #26
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Was all set to say G19, but TACLOAD reminded me of my G34.

It's only used for competition, but in just this scenario, it may very well be ideal. (Among 'my' selection.)

Not quite as concealable as my 19, or 36 for that matter, but it would be great for hunting anything up to medium size deer or taking some longer shots at bad guys.

Hmm...it's a toss up.

If not for the available ammo issue, LG's 5.7 might be the 'perfect' handgun for a world gone mad.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:56   #27
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I would pack my Glock 26. Very hide-able and durable and a 9 and can run 10, 15, 17, and 33 round mags. Lots of spare parts. Doesn't really need lube or care or cleaning.
I was going to say my 17, but would pick my 26 for the same reasons. I also have a .22 kit for it.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:01   #28
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Glock 17 for the win!

Actually the 19 or 34 would work fine.

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Old 11-13-2011, 11:11   #29
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I think it depends on where I am when it happens and what I plan to do. It would defiantly be a Glock.

My G17 is on loan, so I can not grab it.
My G21 would probably be at the top of the list. I have 3. I have lots of mags. I have a suppressor. One is a SBR. I could CCW it, if needed.
My G19 and G26 could be an option. I have plenty of mags. I have a 22lr kit. I could make them into SBRs.

I don't know, if I am running out of the house, I would probably get the one in the kit or the one closest to me.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:58   #30
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Is concealability key under TEOTWAWKI ?

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Old 11-13-2011, 12:12   #31
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If not for the available ammo issue, LG's 5.7 might be the 'perfect' handgun for a world gone mad.


For zombies, yes, for people no.



I'd probably grab my Glock 19, or my H&K USPf in 9mm.

high capacity, reliable, accurate, concealable.
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:45   #32
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Glock 31 with KPOS SBR kit and my spare .40 barrel.
That combo pretty much does it.
If ammo is a problem then my Glock 17.
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Old 11-13-2011, 13:20   #33
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If I had one it would be the Glock 17.

Of what I own it would be my Sig Sauer P228.
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Old 11-13-2011, 13:31   #34
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Well since we said already own, would go with my G24, I love the 40sw round, have several mags for it, ammo would be easy to find.
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Old 11-13-2011, 14:00   #35
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G 19. The mags from both it and the G17 would fit, 9mm is fairly light.

If having ammo was not concern the G21.
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Old 11-13-2011, 15:42   #36
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G17, for all of the reasons that everybody already listed.
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Old 11-13-2011, 15:51   #37
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Hard to say. It'd either be one of the g19's or one of the g26's; but to play along, say g19 probably.

Much like LG1's reasoning on the suppressed 5.7, I'd take along the titanium abraxas silencer as well, along with a whole bunch of mags. (We have either 47 or 52 9mm glock mags; last purchase was five, and I don't recall if that count was before that purchase.) Advantage imo goes to the suppressed 9mm over a suppressed 5.7 due to subsonic/supersonic considerations. In order to get seriously-quiet suppression requires subsonic velocity, and a 147 grain bullet at 1000fps is substantially more capable than a 40-grain bullet at 1000fps.

And my sons get to take their G19's as well, right? And my wife; maybe a g26 instead for her.

All that said, if this were a true "no going home" mad max or Postman situation, I'd really be longing for the 5" ruger DA .454 revolver. It lends itself to scrounging of components since it can use either small (.454) or large (.45LC) primers, the big caliber lends itself well to casting bullets if necessary, it doesn't throw brass everytime you pull the trigger, it's a very durable alloy (rust-resistant) material, it uses a couple different models of speedloaders, and with use of "reduced" (.44 magnum level) loads, it should last several lifetimes. All those things make it imo a very good option for a long-term, wandering post-teotwawki lifetime handgun. I really believe it to be such a good option that I'd seriously consider letting my wife & sons carry the glocks and me carry that revolver.
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Old 11-13-2011, 16:21   #38
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Ok, Just one gun. No long guns. Must already own it.

I have several handguns to choose from and I have a fair amount of ammo for each... I would go with one of my 10mm Glock 20's.

1) The 10mm is a great cartridge and the Glock 20 is an outstanding sidearm.

2) I have a stock pile of 10mm ammunition in different flavors.

3) Glocks are very reliable and handle abuse very well.

4) I have lots of gear to support the Glock 20. Everything from holsters, to magazine pouches, to extra parts.

5) I shoot it very well.

6) I have a couple of magazines for it...

7) Finding .40 S&W to feed it will be easy.


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Old 11-13-2011, 17:21   #39
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Browning HP 9mm.

I have plenty of mags and ammo and will be able to take more 9mm ammo from dead Zombies.
I like how you think Natty.
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Old 11-13-2011, 17:45   #40
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Love these types of questions because you really get a chance to see what most the thinking types would use.

Given the parameters of the question, 9mm gets a big nod for all the reasons mentioned.

A year ago: Glock 35, g.3 w/ a LW 9mm conversion barrel.

(12) G17/G34 mags
(3) G18 big sticks
(10) G22 mags (in case i find or trade for .40 ammo)

Add a LW .357 Sig barrel and an Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit, the gun is good for 4 calibers.

I feel I could throw a hurting on some (dirty) hippie-zombies with that.

Unfortunately, I sold my gen.3 G35 last year and have yet to find a replacement.

My second choice would be a Glock 34 (gen. 4). Other than being able to be converted to other calibers, it offers the same advantages as my first choice.

Unfortunately, I don't own of these and my preps money has been going to food and long guns and that ain't changing in the foreseeable future.

So for me, the winner will be my American Glock with a safety, my Ruger SR9. Since I got that, my Glock 32 has been sitting in my gunsafe. Next handgun will probably be an SR9c, just because its small.
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Old 11-13-2011, 17:52   #41
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Old 11-13-2011, 18:03   #42
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If/when SHTF, there is NO time to "grab" jack *****. (or that is the way i bet) I'll elbow check the g-20 i have IWB. Two 20 round mags ride in my back pocket. More ammo and mags are in other clothing in cooler weather, and in my truck.

Lets say there IS time to grab something else...it will be more ammo for the G-20, and other supllies.
Wolf spider and I am of similar thinking on this.
- 10mm gives good power and usable range in a flatter trajectory than 45.
This is important in a world where i can't have a rifle to hand for whatever reason.
Come SHTF, the usual " so and so will smack your genitals for taking a shot at XX yards" goes out the window. keeping pursuers heads down to gain distance is a GOOD thing. Nailing one in the chest a few times at 100 yrds is better.
- whichever handgun you choose, get/load/stock as much ammo and components as you can, ditto with magazines and spare parts, ect.
- 40 cal barrel for the 10mm is a given. i love mine. in a total collapse, the 357 sig barrel would be good to have. During the ammo shortage, boxes of 357 sig sat on bare shelves all alone in my area.
- carry the damn thing...NOW. When SHTF you can't fall back on your years of CC experience with a given firearm if you have not commited to carrying it beforehand. SHTF is NOT the time to be putting real carry wear on gear. I tend to think that those who don not/cannot carry are likely to end up with nothing come SHTF, unless tjhey plan very well for this contingency. I would if i were in that situation.
- the Glock is a good tough gun, and between the 10mm and its 45 companions, i have between 10-20K rounds downrange in trainign and practice.
- reloading is the solution to the most asked 10mm question, and makes shooting the 10 as cheap as any other caliber. The only thing diferent is that i chase brass more diligently.
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Old 11-13-2011, 18:10   #43
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My Glock 22 with my Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mags. If I run out of .40S&W I can simply run it as a 9mm.
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Old 11-13-2011, 18:15   #44
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TEOTWAKI ? Well, if things are that bad, I'm going to go out in style. Make mine a Series 70 Colt 1911. Lotsa mags. Lotsa ammo so I'm set. Reliable, dependable and nostalgic.

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Old 11-13-2011, 18:54   #45
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... I also have four mags.
OP, for TEOTW, I think you want more than four mags. Even for a nice day at the range, I'd want a lot more than four mags! I suggest an even dozen is a place to start.

As for the post about an FN 5.7, if you use subsonic ammo, it may be quiet out of the suppressor, but it will have all the energy of a 22 short!

And for me, like many of my fellow Glock appreciators, it will be a Gen 3 G17 carried in a CompTac holster, with LOTS of loaded mags.
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If / When SHTF, there is NO time to "grab" Jack Sh:t. (or that is the way I bet) ... Wolf spider and I are of similar thinking on this.
We agree on all kinds of things, Maine1.

I have often preached on this very subject in other threads. If it is an "event", lets say a solar flare nukes half the globe, then there will be total chaos with a quickness!! The solar flare will destroy most of the electronic devises. This will kill most vehicles, cell phone, iPods, and other such stuff. But more importantly it will kill cash registers, ATM's, refrigeration, water pumps, the National Power Grid... All the planes in the air might crash... all at once. Get the picture? It could be mass chaos... almost like Godzilla stomping thru Tokyo. Everyone in total panic.

You will be on foot, with what ever you have in your pockets, trying to get home. You and everyone else will be thinking one thing, Oh Sh:t, this is IT!!! What am I going to do now? Where are the kids, at school? Where is the spouse, at home or at work? How far away are you, from them, from home? Not too many people think about this stuff before it happens.

You office types, have you ever tried to walk home from work in those dress shoes you got on your feet? What is the weather like on that day?

How far do you drive to work? How long does it take? Now try it on foot...


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- 10mm gives good power and usable range in a flatter trajectory than 45.
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- 40 cal barrel for the 10mm is a given. i love mine. in a total collapse, the 357 SIG barrel would be good to have.
I don't have a .40 S&W barrel. I shoot .40 S&W out of my stock Glock 20 barrel with out any issues. Granted, I don't do it very often, but it can be done.



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- carry the damn thing...NOW. When SHTF you can't fall back on your years of CC experience with a given firearm if you have not committed to carrying it beforehand.
This is an excellent point. I carry mine, do the rest of you guys and gals carry your's?

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SHTF is NOT the time to be putting real carry wear on gear.

I tend to think that those who don not/cannot carry are likely to end up with nothing come SHTF, unless they plan very well for this contingency.
I don't know, does this qualify as carry wear? My EDC for more than 10 years.

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Sometimes it is fun to think about what you would do... You puff out your chest, quare up your jaw, and proclaim; "I'm tough, I could do it..." How many of us live it, every day?





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Old 11-13-2011, 19:03   #47
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My G17/TLR3 and spare mags and my few 33rdrs and a few extra boxes of ammo that I can carry with me if on the go...
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Much like LG1's reasoning on the suppressed 5.7, I'd take along the titanium abraxas silencer as well, along with a whole bunch of mags.

(We have either 47 or 52 9mm glock mags; last purchase was five, and I don't recall if that count was before that purchase.)

Advantage imo goes to the suppressed 9mm over a suppressed 5.7 due to subsonic/supersonic considerations.

In order to get seriously-quiet suppression requires subsonic velocity, and a 147 grain bullet at 1000fps is substantially more capable

than a 40-grain bullet at 1000fps.

But the scenario is Zombies..

..accurate headshots are the "rule of the day"..

..and the sectional density of the tip of a supersonic profiled, but subsonic velocity .22 (i.e. SS-109)

.. is more than enough to penetrate the skull & do enough brain damage to drop the undead...IMO.


A subsonic 147 gr 9mm will not make them deader..

..besides they are already dead!



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If not for the available ammo issue, LG's 5.7 might be the 'perfect' handgun for a world gone mad.

Trust me...I have made sure my ammo is more than available!

And consider the points I made below!





Good points all..

..but when the zombies come out inmasse for their nightly depredation..

..I want to be able to quickly perform headshots at a sizable standoff distance..

..with a minimum of magazine changes, recoil, flash, blast & barrel rise..

..due to the inherent capabilities of the suppressed 5.7


With a head mounted Gen III+ NVD & pistol mounted variable intensity Corsak IR Laser..

..combined with night shooting skills..

..I might actually get to use all of the fairly considerable amounts of 5.7 ammo I stock..

..instead of maybe 1/2 a mag & game over just before becoming a zombie?


That being said..

..many are assuming they will "make the cut"..

..but if attacked enmasse..

..just how effective are your night shooting skills?


Do you practice shooting at in the dead of night where it is so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face??

Do you realize how much muzzle flash affects your natural night vision & subsequent follow-up shots??

Do you realize how disorientating blast combined with flash is at night, especially if in a building or vehicle?

Have you practiced hitting multiple targets positioned at 180, 270 & 360 degree patterns under these conditions??

Do you practice shooting while moving under these conditions??

Have you tried headshots quickly under these conditions??

Have you practiced distance shooting with a pistol under these conditions?


Another good reason for a suppressor..

(quicker follow up shots due to muzzle damping, almost total elimination of flash & blast, etc)

..and another good reason for NVD & IR Lasers..

(pinpoint accuracy without having to have a pistol blocking part of your FOV, better situational awareness due to being able to focus on your surroundings instead of the front sight)..

..which is hard enough to do in daytime..

..much less at night under life threatening conditions with multiple targets.




Thank Goodness the thought of engaging "Zombie Hordes" with just a pistol is good online entertainment & a mental exercise..

..because the learning curve would be very steep & razor sharp for the unprepared! (aka freshly minted zombies)






That being said..

..the points I made about night shooting have real world applications as well!


And you don't have to own expensive and/or high tech goodies to hone your night shooting skills..

..BDCochran has written much on using conventional optics to identify & engage targets during low-light & night conditions..

..and even head mounted LED lights can be used to identify & engage targets at night at extended distances.
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Old 11-13-2011, 21:42   #49
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As for the post about an FN 5.7, if you use subsonic ammo, it may be quiet out of the suppressor, but it will have all the energy of a 22 short!

Though subsonics have their limitations..

I like to think of it as a SS-109 traveling approximately 700 mph..

..more than enough velocity & energy to penetrate a decaying skull..

.. & damage what is inside.


For this particular scenario...it should work well...IMO



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True enough. I wasn't taking 'zombie' at literal meaning - I was thinking "intellectual" zombies; you know, ows types...

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