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Old 02-25-2012, 12:56   #251
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This issue is much like the discussions I've heard on evolution
This issue is NOTHING like evolution. Neither evolution nor creation can be proven or dis-proven. The Right to own and bear arms is written in the Constitution of the United States. I don't believe that any fool would argue that the Constitution is only a theory and not really the highest Law of the Land.

Great now we've clouded the FACTS of the original issue with evolution and creation. Anybody got some other rabbits to throw in the mix? How about Islam, Catholics and SDA'ists, maybe we could get a good discussion about that here.
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Old 02-25-2012, 15:09   #252
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I agree, the issues are completely different. My point was that the discussions take on a similar, and never-ending, format.

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Old 02-28-2012, 22:06   #253
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i will support gun control only if the government will hire two body guards to guard my house, myself, my parents 24/7.. Then yes. Other than that no thanks...
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Old 04-03-2012, 16:27   #254
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I do not support gun control at all statistics show it doesn't work we still had violent crime during the asult weapons ban DC has one of the highest crime rates involving firearms in the country and it is illegal to own guns in DC all gun control dose is put restrictions on law abiding people
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:36   #255
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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.
I think that the amount of gun control we have right now is little too much, but I can live with it.
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Old 05-10-2012, 19:08   #256
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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.


I think that the amount of gun control we have right now is little too much, but I can live with it.

Thanks for posting up, but you forgot your rationale. Maybe you could include it in a follow-up post?
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Old 06-02-2012, 16:31   #257
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I support gun control. I feel that whoever is holding the gun, should be in control of it, and that is pretty much it. Wanna stop gangland crime? Stop making excuses and start punishing criminals. No matter what ridiculous law they make, there will still be gun violence, and a much more practical and OBVIOUS approach would be, rather than restricting gun rights, shielding society and our children from the fact that guns are everywhere, and demonizing the NRA just because they stand up for our rights, I'd say it is time for a "movement" (As Jesse Jackson would say) by the gun owning community.

I'd say that the more experienced shooters, as there are many, should do whatever they can to not only encourage people to take up arms if they feel comfortable doing so, but everyone should do their part to ensure that a culture of gun safety and accountability is clearly established. That way, it will eliminate about half of these anti's complaints about gun owners. Or the Brady Campaign. Know what I find ironic? They are the "Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence". Their main "culprit", is the NRA. According to them, the NRA is the devil, and they all but come out and say it, that the NRA fights to repeal these gun restrictions, only to get people killed. ON their website a few weeks ago, it said, "The Trayvon Martin shooting is the NRA's Vision for America".

What an insult and a slap in the face to all responsible gun owners. Compounded by the fact that the NRA STRONGLY advocates for safe gun handling, responsibility and accountability, and encourage family oriented shooting activities, in addition to self defensive skills. Oh yeah, so that makes them "murderers" huh. Well according to Rosie O' Donnell, yes.

Now check this out:

1. The NRA, along with many other pro 2nd Amendment organizations, sponsor COUNTLESS programs to teach people about guns, gun safety, gun awareness, and self defensive capabilities. They encourage lawful gun activity, and take no part in the glamorization of violence that has snaked its way into our culture.

2. The many "gangsta" rappers out there, although some of them fake, are the role models and idols of today's youth. (well a large chunk of them anyway, if I had kids there would be no "gangsta" rap in my house). One of them, his stage name was C-Murder. He had done time for 2nd Degree Murder in Louisiana, but somehow got out and became a rapper in New Orleans. So he's done time for murder, he calls himself "C-Murder", raps about literally nothing but shooting people with AK's, Glocks, pump shotguns, and a host of other weapons. Then a few years after he's reached millionaire status, and a large chunk of our nation's most ignorant have pretty much put him on a pedestal as a hero, like the most amazing and awesome guy ever. What happens? C-Murder goes into a club in Baton Rouge. A young buck teenager in the club, trying to be a little thug, starts running his mouth to C-Murder. What does C-Murder do? Pulls out a gun and shoots him dead, right there in the middle of the club. So now C-Murder, who was already a convicted murderer, rapped about nothing but murderer, hailing from the murder capital of the U.S.A., is back in Angola, for murder.

So....with that being said, I must point out that the Brady Campaign to "prevent gun violence", has NEVER (to my knowledge), called these people out. They are advocating NOTHING good. Now it is a good thing to be a pimp. Now it is a good thing to be a "hustla", or a "gangbanger". And they claim this is all the NRA's fault? I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I overlooked something, but I didn't see anything saying, "sag yo pants, grab yo gun and shoot up them fools neighborhood, kill everyone", at least not on the NRA website. It's just anti's taking cheap shots at the responsible gun owning community, because we can't call them mean names, but the others I mentioned, can. Sad part is, it does nothing to curb gun violence, and the restrictions they suggest actually, if nothing else, make it even MORE dangerous in this country.

Maybe I am wrong, but that's just how I see it. I'd say the ideal thing would be for anyone who is physically and mentally capable of using a gun, also comfortable with doing so, to arm themselves, get training (to some degree, everyone's comfort level is different, but everyone needs to ensure they know how to use their weapon), get a CHL, and practice practice practice! Also, as soon as your kids are ready, you know in your heart they are mature enough to learn about guns, I'd say get them at the range and get them shooting. That is CRUCIAL, and the only way to TRULY decrease their chances of dying in an accidental, tragic shooting from kids "playing" with guns. That's gun control in my opinion.

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Old 07-05-2012, 22:37   #258
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No way will I support more 'gun control'. We already have enough laws on the books. Where I live it takes 5, count 'em, five incidents involving firearms for a juvenile to be considered a threat to society. I could go on and on & will with one more example. About five years ago a man robbed three banks here (locally) on the same day. He then jacked a car at gunpoint. Eventually he went to prison for bank robbery but was never charged for the gun crime. It's not the violin, it's the violinist! More importantly, it's my responsibility to protect myself & my family... I won't abdicate that responsibility.
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Old 07-21-2012, 06:08   #259
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We have over twenty thousand Federal, State, and local gun control laws on the books already. So far the criminals have not paid them much attention. Only the law abiding public has. We don't need more gun control. We need more law abiding people to wise up and take control of their own safety by exercising their God given right to keep and bear arms, affirmed by the US Constitution. The recent murders in Colorado affirm that. The movie theater had "No guns allowed" signs. Didn't stop the killer did it? Only prevented the law abiding from carrying. The killer knew that and he had a target rich environment. An unmolested free fire zone. Go figure.
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Old 07-22-2012, 15:11   #260
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Looked what happened in the UK!

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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

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Take it from me, you do not need anymore gun controls.
We suffer in the UK now because we were complacent in our opposition to the knee jerk reactions of the government.
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Old 07-22-2012, 15:33   #261
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Personally, I'm not a Democrat and I am not a Republican. I am just an American who loves his country, the constitution, the flag, and the right to own/bear arms and ammo
And that changes my statement how?
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Old 09-18-2012, 21:51   #262
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As long as your legal to own, with a clean record, your good to go in my book.

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Old 09-18-2012, 22:03   #263
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Re: OP. Simple answer to the question is.... "No." Please note that "No" is a complete sentence. It does not require explanation and especially in reference to the OP, it is the only answer that in appropriate or necessary.
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Old 12-19-2012, 16:34   #264
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If national recognition of concealed carry permits were to become law, I would understand if it included a clause that required the permit holder to concealed carry in a manner required in the state they were visiting while in that state.

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Old 12-19-2012, 16:48   #265
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If national recognition of concealed carry permits were to become law, I would understand if it included a clause that required the permit holder to concealed carry in a manner required in the state they were visiting while in that state.
What you mean by the highlighted portion? You want national CCW? Then have all the states get together and agree to constitutional carry. Invite Illinois, NY, CA, MA, RI and then ignore them.
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Old 12-19-2012, 17:03   #266
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What you mean by the highlighted portion? You want national CCW? Then have all the states get together and agree to constitutional carry. Invite Illinois, NY, CA, MA, RI and then ignore them.
It is very simple. I can understand if there was a national recognition from state to state of each state's concealed carry permits, while you were in a state, you would have to follow the firearm laws of that state. This does not mean you would be required to follow NJ law if you were from TX. But if you were from TX, and visiting NJ, you could not carry hollow-point rounds while visiting NJ because NJ bans hollow-point rounds.

I would support gun control of this type. While I might find NJ bans on types rounds naive, you should respect the laws of the state (juridiction) you are visiting or just don't go there.
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Old 12-19-2012, 17:09   #267
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No restrictions on the guns that people can purchase...based on type. Rationale - the intent of the 2nd amendment was to prevent a tyrannical gov't from doing as it pleases to the people.

On those who can purchase - no convicted felons. Rationale - you forfeit your rights when you commit a felony. I'd like to see restrictions on those diagnosed with a mental disability...HOWEVER, this is a difficult one to determine a black & white test.
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Old 12-19-2012, 18:23   #268
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I support gun control that takes guns away from criminals...
I support gun control that prevents them from getting them in the first place... and I support background checking, and I support proper training, and we the people, by the people, for the people.... not frankenfeinstein's "her way or the highway" approach.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right, but to do so also bears huge responsibility, self control, intelligence, and common sense. How many times have we gotten on the road behind someone that made you think "Damn, they gave that idiot a license to drive?" Now multiply that times 10 or 100 with a license to carry. It's not a question we would ever want to have to ask, even under our breath.

Take our guns away? He'll no. Make sure the wrong people don't have them? Well that kind of makes sense now, doesn't it?
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I support gun control that prevents them from getting them in the first place... and I support background checking, and I support proper training, and we the people, by the people, for the people.... not frankenfeinstein's "her way or the highway" approach.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right, but to do so also bears huge responsibility, self control, intelligence, and common sense. How many times have we gotten on the road behind someone that made you think "Damn, they gave that idiot a license to drive?" Now multiply that times 10 or 100 with a license to carry. It's not a question we would ever want to have to ask, even under our breath.

Take our guns away? He'll no. Make sure the wrong people don't have them? Well that kind of makes sense now, doesn't it?
Background check work really well. Oh sorry, you're a convicted felon we can't sell you a gun, but feel free go about your merry way you're free to go buy one on the street. Me on the other hand. Sorry there is a hold. Government drone... We can't tell you why every-time you purchase a firearm we put a hold on it. But feel free to spend your money on finger prints and passport pictures. Fill out a form and send it your prints and pictures to us. In a few months we'll get around to processing it and we'll give you your special number. Ve gave da Jews a special number too. Background checks... Allowing felons to walk away while making honorable citizens drive 200 miles round trip twice to purchase and come back for their firearm. I can get one on the street faster. Yep I love background checks. What is it exactly they do? Stop felons from getting guns? Yah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep deluding yourself.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:05   #270
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Everyone in this thread is hitting the nail right on the head. Gun control has never, and will never solve a darn thing. Little fun fact, The day before the shooting last week a man in China (one of the strictest nations on gun laws in the world) attacked 23 people in an elementary school with a knife. When there's a will, there's a way...

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Old 12-20-2012, 06:46   #271
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Guns do not kill people... all this crap about gun control won't save one life.. if a deranged, doped up idiot wants to kill a bunch of people.. banning all guns won't stop him..
anyone remember the OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING ???
are diesel fuel & ammonia nitrate (fertilizer) going to be banned ?

why is it ... all the people that want to take OUR guns ... have 24/7 armed guards ???
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Background check work really well. Oh sorry, you're a convicted felon we can't sell you a gun, but feel free go about your merry way you're free to go buy one on the street. Me on the other hand. Sorry there is a hold. Government drone... We can't tell you why every-time you purchase a firearm we put a hold on it. But feel free to spend your money on finger prints and passport pictures. Fill out a form and send it your prints and pictures to us. In a few months we'll get around to processing it and we'll give you your special number. Ve gave da Jews a special number too. Background checks... Allowing felons to walk away while making honorable citizens drive 200 miles round trip twice to purchase and come back for their firearm. I can get one on the street faster. Yep I love background checks. What is it exactly they do? Stop felons from getting guns? Yah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep deluding yourself.
Bitter much? Bitter, line three... Bitter, please pick up line three... intelligence is holding for you...

I never said a background check was a cover all... but seriously man, just because there is some sort of glitch with YOU, doesn't mean it's not a good idea to check. You carry on like you're one of the convicted felons that's not supposed to have access to a firearm. Ease up. My main point is that there needs to be SOME form of control, not just the gut reaction of "hey someone got killed so let's take EVERYONE's guns away".

Sheesh. and YOU"RE a moderator?
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:24   #273
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why is it ... all the people that want to take OUR guns ... have 24/7 armed guards ???


If you don't mind, I'd like to use a version of that statement as my tag line for a while?
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[QUOTE=bandmasterjf;18289690]But they can't stick thier car in their pocket and walk into a 7-11.

I can just see some idiot trying to rob a liquer store with a gas can. Uh, hey dude. If you light that match your going up too. Oh crap............never mind.

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What happened here, where I live, is a guy got pissed cause they wouldn't sell him beer.

He didn't pull out a gun and shoot everyone. Instead, he got in his car, drove about 2 blocks away, turned around, then accelerated to a fairly high speed driving his car through the store front into the busy 7-11.

No gun needed.

Edit: sorry it didn't do the quote right.
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On those who can purchase - no convicted felons. Rationale - you forfeit your rights when you commit a felony. I'd like to see restrictions on those diagnosed with a mental disability...HOWEVER, this is a difficult one to determine a black & white test.
A felony used to be a serious crime, now they can amount to nothing more than a technicality, see the book Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent.
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