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Old 12-20-2012, 19:26   #276
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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.
President Obama (gag) put Joe Biden in charge of the task force to reduce gun violence. I have never seen a violent gun, but let's not split hairs.I am all for reducing criminal violence of any kind. And if confronted by someone wishing to inflict violence on me, I agree with Joe, I'll reduce it. In fact I'll stop it dead in its tracks. Looks like we agree on this one Joe.

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Old 12-20-2012, 19:37   #277
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Bitter much? Bitter, line three... Bitter, please pick up line three... intelligence is holding for you...

I never said a background check was a cover all... but seriously man, just because there is some sort of glitch with YOU, doesn't mean it's not a good idea to check. You carry on like you're one of the convicted felons that's not supposed to have access to a firearm. Ease up. My main point is that there needs to be SOME form of control, not just the gut reaction of "hey someone got killed so let's take EVERYONE's guns away".

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Talk about intelligence... MAN? Really? How old are you 12? You have no idea how many people have the same problem. Cops, lawyers especially ex military. Fellow that I shoot with worked the gun counter at Cabela's and had/has a hold every time he purchases. Was talking to someone in a restaurant about holds and a fellow at the next table said, "you to"? They do that to me and two guys I know and I'm a government contractor. I work security and carry a AR daily. So no it's not just me whining. It's me showing how stupid it is.

So there has to be some form of control? OK tell me what form has worked so far. If it worked they wouldn't be screaming for more. Gun control DOES NOT WORK. It has been proven over and over and over again but MORONS want more and more gun control. MORONS keep saying we have to have some form of CONTROL. Exactly who is being CONTROLLED?

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt, 1783

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Old 12-22-2012, 23:18   #278
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The problem isn't with legal gun ownership, and the only people who follow gun laws and gun restrictions are normal, law abiding citizens.
A gun didn't kill those kids in Connecticut, Adam Lanza killed those babies.
No guns were involved on 9-11, box cutters and jets killed over 2,000 innocent people.
No guns were involved in the federal building destruction. Fertilizer was used.
Do we ban box cutters, jets, and fertilizer? No. Does any sane rational person honestly believe a ban on guns will stop criminals and psycopaths from killing the innocents?
Look how well stringent drug laws and border agents have slowed down the import of illegal drugs across the border.
The only thing restriction does (as is evidenced in the 1920's) is empower criminals, giving them an avenue for greater revenue and control.
Even a simple thing like the wearing of seatbelts can't be controlled by law enforcement personnel. The only thing another law does is allow for prosecution of a criminal AFTER the crime has been committed. It does not slow down the psycopath.
Let's not knee jerk a reaction and loose another right to the government by placing an unenforceable law on the books. They prevent nothing.
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Old 12-22-2012, 23:25   #279
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The only gun control I want to see is the placement of the second shot.
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Old 12-22-2012, 23:54   #280
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Gun control is not about guns; its about control....
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:38   #281
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I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment.I also believe something needs to be done about the mental health system or lack of.
Gun control isn't the answer IMO but keeping weapons away from these deranged individuals is paramount.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:28   #282
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I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment.I also believe something needs to be done about the mental health system or lack of.
Gun control isn't the answer IMO but keeping weapons away from these deranged individuals is paramount.
Not to be overly picky but I believe it's important to draw a distinction here.. Whats paramount is the focus on keeping deranged individuals away from society (and by extension guns) rather than trying to focus on keeping guns (which are only one of an infinite number of tools with which to commit murder with) away from some people (which we already do ineffectively).
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Old 12-24-2012, 18:16   #283
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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.
How do you include rational to explain laws that make no sense. All the damn laws they have now don't do squat. You can pass as many laws as you want and the criminals will just laugh in your face. As long as we keep looking for solutions through the eyes and minds of the already law abiding, we will never find it. If you want solutions, ask the criminal what would have prevented them from carrying out their crimes. These interviews have been done, look into it, see what they say. These criminal types don't think like like the average Mr & Mrs. America, who get all their information from the view or pmsnbc or cnn or the Huffington Puffington Post.Just listen to the way these DC idiots talk about this gun or that, they don't know what the hell they're talking about. The entire anti gun effort is built on lies and being able to fool the ignorant public and to take advantage of their emotions that are at a fever pitch right now. Same way osama got re-elected, fool the stupid. Their motto should be, if you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull ****, they'll buy it.

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Old 12-25-2012, 05:12   #284
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"Gun Control" should be limited to violent criminals and the mentally incompetent; not the citizens.

I would support stiff mandatory sentencing for stealing a firearm or using a gun in a violent crime.

I grew up in a time & place when/where it was perfectly OK to carry, even to take a gun to school. We never had any problems BECAUSE we had been taught self-control and respect for others !

Just look what the idiots' "Zero Tolerance" policies have brought us: MASS MURDERS OF CHILDREN !

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Old 12-25-2012, 21:22   #285
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ieVieux your post is in my TOP 10 of the best statements in Glock Talk this year.............
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Old 12-25-2012, 21:46   #286
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I am just curious about something that has been mentioned in this thread several times. The mention of criminals. When you all are speaking of criminals not having the right to own firearms. Do you mean active criminals or anyone that is a convicted felon?

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Old 12-26-2012, 03:32   #287
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I am just curious about something that has been mentioned in this thread several times. The mention of criminals. When you all are speaking of criminals not having the right to own firearms. Do you mean active criminals or anyone that is a convicted felon?
All of the above.Past ,present, and future. Anyone that cannot purchase, own, be around , the dangerously mentally ill,drug dealers just to name a few. Making a complete list of everyone that would fit into this category for the purposes of this venue would be a time consuming collective effort that only people that want to split hairs would need. Most know what is meant by criminals. When some say they would favor legislation that would prevent firearms from being in the hands of criminals, I think we all know that no legislation would do this,but we get that point. Criminals will always have access to guns through a black market if our government is so stupid as to create one. Like has been said many times, it's not the tool, it' the person that uses it.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:17   #288
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None.

Almost 20,000 gun control laws on the books already and none of them have accomplished their intended purpose.


Second of all, the part of the Second Amendment that states, "Shall not be infringed."

Despite what many say, it is absolute. Why? It says, "Shall not be infringed."

Come to think of it, it's the only Place in the Bill of Rights where that phrase is used. I believe or Forefathers were very specific as to their intent in using that language. (It was important enough to them to specify it specifically. That says something in itself.)

There again, the Commies will say it doesn't mean what it says. Those are the same people that will tell you a cat is a dog and 2+2=5 because some big Liberal University Professor says so. (Even though everyone else knows he's wrong.)

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Old 12-26-2012, 09:30   #289
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All of the above.Past ,present, and future. Anyone that cannot purchase, own, be around , the dangerously mentally ill,drug dealers just to name a few. Making a complete list of everyone that would fit into this category for the purposes of this venue would be a time consuming collective effort that only people that want to split hairs would need. Most know what is meant by criminals. When some say they would favor legislation that would prevent firearms from being in the hands of criminals, I think we all know that no legislation would do this,but we get that point. Criminals will always have access to guns through a black market if our government is so stupid as to create one. Like has been said many times, it's not the tool, it' the person that uses it.
The reason I asked, is because I am a convicted felon. I can legally own firearms and have done so for a while. I made a mistake 20 years ago, worked hard to straighten out my life and received a pardon from the governor in 2010. People can reform their lives including one time felons. It's a huge misconception that people have that one time felons cannot own firearms. We can. It takes demonstrating the reformation of your life, becoming a productive citizen and staying out of trouble. I have not had so much as a traffic ticket in twenty years.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:17   #290
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The reason I asked, is because I am a convicted felon. I can legally own firearms and have done so for a while. I made a mistake 20 years ago, worked hard to straighten out my life and received a pardon from the governor in 2010. People can reform their lives including one time felons. It's a huge misconception that people have that one time felons cannot own firearms. We can. It takes demonstrating the reformation of your life, becoming a productive citizen and staying out of trouble. I have not had so much as a traffic ticket in twenty years.
If you have received a pardon from the Governor and are legally permitted to own a firearm, then what I said would not apply to you. Your rights have been restored. I'm glad you pointed that out, everything is not as black and white as we sometimes think.
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Old 12-26-2012, 17:22   #291
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NCVRL8T Congrats on the pardon and your 100% correct. Its hard to turn your life around after a mistake that makes you a felon...
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Old 01-08-2013, 19:42   #292
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Old 01-11-2013, 22:36   #293
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Punish the Criminal

There are basic laws that can be added that would actually help the lawabiding gun owner, and hurt the criminal. One for example would be a mandatory20 year sentence with no possibility of parole for being caught either stealingsomeone's gun or knowingly having a stolen gun. It would not matter if the criminal had beenusing the gun in a crime or not. For the crimonal just to have stolen it, or have takenpossession of it would get him the sentence.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:24   #294
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The politicians along with the media and a host of liberal useless idiots are MORE than serious about limiting or eliminating our rights. This isn’t about tragedy, mass murder, magazines or bullets for them, although they utilize the tragedy well. This is completely ideological, and they are bound and determined to decimate rights of gun owners and have no remorse if they have to decimate gun owners themselves. Their ideology is not just opposition to what constitutionalists believe. Their ideology causes them to despise anyone in their way. People in their way are not even people to them. That’s one of their flaws. They have no respect for gun owners as human beings. They think gun owners, or anyone with an opposing view, should be eliminated…especially constitutionalists.
The politicians, media and liberal useless idiots believe they have NEVER had a better time to gain gun control. They believe this point in time is their defining moment. They will get loud and angry. Some will play peacemaker. And some will say they are for gun rights, only in a whisper. They will use every tactic possible, legal or illegal, fair or unfair, to win their battle against our rights. To liberals, this is many times more important than health care was and that was crammed down our throats. They are determined to control guns and CONTROL PEOPLE! There will be no retreat.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:45   #295
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None.

Almost 20,000 gun control laws on the books already and none of them have accomplished their intended purpose.


Second of all, the part of the Second Amendment that states, "Shall not be infringed."

Despite what many say, it is absolute. Why? It says, "Shall not be infringed."

Come to think of it, it's the only Place in the Bill of Rights where that phrase is used. I believe or Forefathers were very specific as to their intent in using that language. (It was important enough to them to specify it specifically. That says something in itself.)

There again, the Commies will say it doesn't mean what it says. Those are the same people that will tell you a cat is a dog and 2+2=5 because some big Liberal University Professor says so. (Even though everyone else knows he's wrong.)

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Do you really think b.o. cares what is in the Constitution ?
he loathes the constitution... it contents affords Americans freedoms.. he is 100% against any freedoms our fore fathers intended.. he is setting the state to become a "king" and reign as long as he lives..

FREE AMERICA IS UNDER SEIGE !!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:36   #296
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"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:39   #297
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“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly…. [However, now] there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.” Bill Clinton 1994
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:39   #298
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What will happen to "Assault Style" guns, which are designated Class III, licensed by the ATF and in the hands of a responsible owner, if "Assault Weapons" are banned?

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Old 01-12-2013, 09:12   #299
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....shall not be infringed. It's not the firearm that need to be controlled it's the bad actors.
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"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum. The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
America is under SEIGE... by those who want to undermine the constitution.. our freedoms are at stake.. if we give up our guns... we are D.O.A.
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