xl650 help

rpgman · 12-05-2011, 17:57

On the last round I was going to do on 9mm n then change to .40 I have a primer stuck almost sideways jammed into one of the holes in the primer ring.

I have the primer system out but how do I go about getting the jammed primer out?

IndyGunFreak · 12-05-2011, 18:41

Oh wait, nevermind..

rpgman · 12-05-2011, 18:44

I did call Dillon, and I said I would get the primer system out.
Well, I did that, now I guess I need to call them to get a new one.

Greg

GioaJack · 12-05-2011, 18:46

Hit it with a big hammer... or buy a LNL.

Jack

rpgman · 12-05-2011, 18:52

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Originally Posted by GioaJack

Hit it with a big hammer... or buy a LNL.

Jack

no way, im not banging anything with a big hammer.

Boxerglocker · 12-05-2011, 19:50

You should be able to remove the primer system completely off the press, remove the primer magazine tube and take off the screw that holds the primer wheel shim. That should break everything loose.

EL_NinO619 · 12-05-2011, 20:06

What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Better Call Dillion

unclebob · 12-05-2011, 20:07

You should be able to push it out. Unless I miss understand what you are saying. Lot of times I use the stick part of a Q-tip the ones that have a wooden handle or stick.how ever you want to call them.

rpgman · 12-05-2011, 20:18

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Originally Posted by unclebob

You should be able to push it out. Unless I miss understand what you are saying. Lot of times I use the stick part of a Q-tip the ones that have a wooden handle or stick.how ever you want to call them.

thanks Bob that worked.

I used the wood end of one of those Q-tips.
Greg

Colorado4Wheel · 12-05-2011, 20:32

Make sure the brass tip on the primer tube and the disc are free of burrs and nicks. You should have spares in your spare parts kit. I wonder why it went in sideways?

unclebob · 12-06-2011, 08:03

Make sure the magazine shield cap is down tight. The two primer system mounting bolts are tight. If you have any bounce in your reloading bench that could cause that also.

rpgman · 12-06-2011, 08:13

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Originally Posted by unclebob

Make sure the magazine shield cap is down tight. The two primer system mounting bolts are tight. If you have any bounce in your reloading bench that could cause that also.

gotcha, thanks.
I'm changing calibers tonight and I'll make sure those bolts are tight.

unclebob · 12-06-2011, 08:20

Also make sure the screw that holds the primer support shim is on tight. Since it is a new press. The person putting the primer magazine assembly together might not have tightened it down all the way. And you do have the small primer disk installed.

rpgman · 12-06-2011, 08:24

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Originally Posted by unclebob

Also make sure the screw that holds the primer support shim is on tight. Since it is a new press. The person putting the primer magazine assembly together might not have tightened it down all the way. And you do have the small primer disk installed.

I do, but I'm going to check anyway when I change calibers.

snowwdog · 12-06-2011, 19:20

i had that same problem and it turned out to be to much bounce. My reloading table doesnt give any now and the whole press runs smoother.

rpgman · 12-07-2011, 03:38

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Originally Posted by snowwdog

i had that same problem and it turned out to be to much bounce. My reloading table doesnt give any now and the whole press runs smoother.

It's not the bench or Press moving. Mine is stable.

Now I have an issue with the priming system. It will rotate all day long if there are no primers in the primer disc. As soon as the first primer gets to the primer pusher, it won't rotate on the down stroke. It will stop the down stroke half way through. If I lower the press n then nudge the Primer Indexing Arm and then pull the handle, it will rotate the priming disc. I think the jam I had screwed the priming system up.

Im going to have to call Dillon today to get a new priming system.

I've also noticed, when I switched from 9mm to .40, while testing the priming, that when it primes, the primer punch isn't seating the primer fully. Is it also necessary to adjust the primer punch when switching calibers, even if your using the same primer Disc. (Small pistol)?
Greg

unclebob · 12-07-2011, 07:08

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Originally Posted by rpgman

I've also noticed, when I switched from 9mm to .40, while testing the priming, that when it primes, the primer punch isn't seating the primer fully. Is it also necessary to adjust the primer punch when switching calibers, even if your using the same primer Disc. (Small pistol)?
Greg

Small punch, small disk for both 9 and 40. Make sure the punch is screwed in all the way. I would say your shell plate is too loose. There is no adjustment on seating depth for you to make. If you take off the primer magazine off? When you put it back on. Start the two bolts in then push the handle forward. The primer punch will protrude through the primer disk. With the handle still forward tighten the two bolts.
Your other problem call Dillon.

rpgman · 12-07-2011, 07:26

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Originally Posted by unclebob

Small punch, small disk for both 9 and 40. Make sure the punch is screwed in all the way. I would say your shell plate is too loose. There is no adjustment on seating depth for you to make. If you take off the primer magazine off? When you put it back on. Start the two bolts in then push the handle forward. The primer punch will protrude through the primer disk. With the handle still forward tighten the two bolts.
Your other problem call Dillon.

Thanks, I did call Dillon just now and they think it might be several things to check first.

1st, make sure the shell plate isn't loose. If the shell plate is loose it might cause the primer indexing not to index and not seat the primer fully.

2nd, make sure the adjustment to the primer station locator tab is adjusted for the .40 caliber (it came with 9mm on it and I was loading 9mm when the jam happened)....it should be a business card width away.

3rd, make sure the camming pin was adjusted for .40 caliber.

If that doesn't work, call Dillon back.

Colorado4Wheel · 12-07-2011, 08:16

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Originally Posted by rpgman

3rd, make sure the camming pin was adjusted for .40 caliber.

What is that?

rpgman · 12-07-2011, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

What is that?

it's the adjustment for pushing the case into station 1 when it comes out of the case feeder.

page 38 and 39 of the xl650 Manual.

Murphy's Law · 12-07-2011, 09:05

It would be a whole lot easier just to "trade" me for my 550B, I'm willing to take a loss.

rpgman · 12-07-2011, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Murphy's Law

It would be a whole lot easier just to "trade" me for my 550B, I'm willing to take a loss.

no way.

I'll get it working. It worked FINE for 9mm until I was on my last round and it jammed the primer on the index wheel.

I think it's one of the 3 adjustments Dillon mentioned.

The shell plate is definitely too loose, because it didn't seat the primer correct when I tested it with .40 case. That's one issue and I bet the other 2 also have to be adjusted.

Colorado4Wheel · 12-07-2011, 09:21

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Originally Posted by rpgman

it's the adjustment for pushing the case into station 1 when it comes out of the case feeder.

page 38 and 39 of the xl650 Manual.

I didn't know they called that the camming pin. Weird name.

rpgman · 12-07-2011, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

I didn't know they called that the camming pin. Weird name.

yea, I thought the same thing.

But, hopefully it's the 'loose' shell plate, because those other adjustment would be for when a case is present. I can't get the primer to index once it's on the priming punch.

So, if I make sure it's not loose, I should be able to index and let the primers just fall into the primer catch.

unclebob · 12-07-2011, 10:01

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Originally Posted by rpgman

yea, I thought the same thing.

But, hopefully it's the 'loose' shell plate, because those other adjustment would be for when a case is present. I can't get the primer to index once it's on the priming punch.

So, if I make sure it's not loose, I should be able to index and let the primers just fall into the primer catch.

Are you pull the handle a little ways before trying to rotate the primer disk? If not it will not rotate.