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Old 12-10-2011, 08:24   #1
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WST in the 40?

Now that hunting season is over it's time to get back to loading for and shooting pistols.
I want to find a good soft shooting 40 S&W load with 180gr JHP/ TCFP. I was going to start out with WST, but the load data is all over the placed. Max loads range from 4.3gr up to 5.7gr. Hodgdon's web data lists a Max charge of 4.3gr, while an older Hodgdon manual lists 5.0gr. Sierra lists 5.7gr as max.

So, I came to the experts for advice. WST in the 40, anyone use/try it, where to start and where to stop?

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Old 12-10-2011, 09:38   #2
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Interested in much the same,although Im at the point from what I can find for data that Im thinking WSF would be a better choice at least with the 180 gr. SJ 40
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Old 12-10-2011, 13:01   #3
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Waiting for Fred....................... He is like the ambassador to WST
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Old 12-10-2011, 13:26   #4
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Waiting for Fred....................... He is like the ambassador to WST
Me Too!
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Old 12-10-2011, 15:35   #5
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3.8grs. WST w/180gr. bullet of your choice. Soft, very accurate/clean burning, and shoots to POA with the issue sights of most pistols. A great practice and gamer load.

Athough you can load hotter with WST it has too quick of a burn rate for good results. Pressures run high and accuracy goes to hell. Switch to WSF if you want SD-type rounds. It's excellent for that purpose.

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Old 12-10-2011, 19:24   #6
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ditto tjpets recipe. I've shot 10's of thousands of those with cast bullets.
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I am not a huge fan of WST in the 40, but midrange/minor loads w/ 170-180gr bullets can work well. Like tj, 4gr under a 180gr something lead will run most 40s & soft shooting, about 825fps. My working load; 175grLRNFP o/ 4.5gr for 875fps. I actually get better accuracy w/ lead bulelts & WSF though, in the same vel range.
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Old 12-10-2011, 23:30   #8
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WST is my fast powder of choice for the .40. I've burnt 8-10 pounds of it so far. Good stuff maynard!
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:11   #9
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Thanks gentleman. Steve, mind sharing some of your WST loads?
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:41   #10
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I used WST for a long time when I used to shoot D&J lead 220s. It worked great and meters like water.

No idea of where to start with the 180s though.
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Old 12-11-2011, 14:02   #12
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I am not a huge fan of WST in the 40, but midrange/minor loads w/ 170-180gr bullets can work well. Like tj, 4gr under a 180gr something lead will run most 40s & soft shooting, about 825fps. My working load; 175grLRNFP o/ 4.5gr for 875fps. I actually get better accuracy w/ lead bulelts & WSF though, in the same vel range.
Fred. Your 4.5gn 175gnLRNFP load was with WSF or WST?
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Using a USPSA load list by Jeff Maass that I saved from somewhere, here is the info for WST just as a reference. These were submitted by different users:

180gr MG FMJ 5.5gr WST OAL 1.190" FPS 952 PF 171 w/Schuemann AET Ultimatch barrel

180gr JTC 5.7gr WST OAL 1.14" FPS 947 PF 170.5 w/5" barrel

180gr WC RNFP 4.8gr WST OAL 1.20" FPS 939 PF 169 w/SV & 5" KKM bbl

180gr WC RNFP 5.1gr WST OAL 1.15" FPS 978 PF 176 w/SV & 5" KKM bbl
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Fred. Your 4.5gn 175gnLRNFP load was with WSF or WST?
SOrry, WST. Pretty soft shooting & almost makes major. You can actually just make major w/ it but I find accuracy drops off. Why I settled on WSF for full power 40s.
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SOrry, WST. Pretty soft shooting & almost makes major. You can actually just make major w/ it but I find accuracy drops off. Why I settled on WSF for full power 40s.
Thanks Fred,
What recipe do you use for the 175gnlrnfp and WSF? I am buying the Lee 6 cavity to cast for that weight.
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Hunting season ..... IT'S NEVER OVER !!! God Bless the Wild Boar and the State of Florida. And those flippin' country rats that seem to love my yard so much ...
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Thanks Fred,
What recipe do you use for the 175gnlrnfp and WSF? I am buying the Lee 6 cavity to cast for that weight.
5.5gr under a 170-175gr LFP runs nicely, around 950fps.
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Corrected Info...

A common load I use is a 155 LRN over 4.0 WST. I don't have these records in front of me, but I think they chrono around 145 PF. Very reliable, nice to shoot.

With 180 grain jacketed/plated bullets in a stock Glock 35 I got:

3.4 grains - Malfunctions with weak grip - Chrono'd at 725 fps/130 PF
3.6 grains - Once in a blue moon malfunctions - Chrono'd at 750 fps/135 PF
3.8 grains - No malfunctions - Chrono'd at 813 fps/146 pf

I could probably go to a lighter recoil spring and get the 3.6 loads to run. Haven't tried it yet.
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