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Old 12-12-2011, 22:39   #1
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Loading 9mm for accuracy for a 16" barrel...

I know that any 9mm 16" barreled carbine is designed to shoot the same ammo as any 9mm but here's my question.

If I wanted to maximize accuracy what would it take?
Slower or faster powders?
Lighter or heavier bullets?
Faster or slower velocities?

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Old 12-12-2011, 22:40   #2
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Old 12-13-2011, 00:18   #3
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For best accuraqcy, always look to the bulklet first. I would think you get sim accuracy whether high or low vel. Any pistol powder you use, even something really slow like AA#7, it's gonna burn completely in 12 of bbl.
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Old 12-13-2011, 00:39   #4
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#7 was developed for carbines.

Depending on the platform, Major 124gr might be ideal.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:28   #5
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I've found that my 16" HiPoint Carbine (don't laugh it's really accurate) shoots every load just a bit better than all of my 9mm pistols. If the load groups well in the pistols, it does even better in the carbine. I've used Titegroup and PowerPistol and really haven't found a "bad" load yet.
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Old 12-13-2011, 16:52   #6
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For my Marlin and my friend's single shot T/C, the recipe is the same for accuracy (not looking for max velocity). The Hornady 125 grain HAP over SR 7625. Universal is also great in 9mm carbines.
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Old 12-13-2011, 19:19   #7
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I've found that my 16" HiPoint Carbine (don't laugh it's really accurate) shoots every load just a bit better than all of my 9mm pistols. If the load groups well in the pistols, it does even better in the carbine. I've used Titegroup and PowerPistol and really haven't found a "bad" load yet.
Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:44   #8
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Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds
Glad I'm not the only one. I can hit golf balls at 30 yards with 4.2 gr Titegroup under a 115gr FMJ Precision Delta bullet.
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The Hi-Point is actually what I just bought as well. I've been wanting a 9mm carbine for some time and keep reading great reviews of the Hi-Point. Lot's of youtube videos giving it praises as well. I just couldn't pass it up for the cost. It's not pretty, but fun and reliable from what I've heard. I pick it up next week.

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Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?
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Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?
The HiPoint is cheaper and you have another gun, not just a conversion.
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Old 12-14-2011, 13:53   #12
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The HiPoint is cheaper and you have another gun, not just a conversion.
Well yes, but I liek the idea of the same familiar platform & just swap an upper, plus no registration & waiting.
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Old 12-14-2011, 14:05   #14
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Why not get a 9mm upper for your AR?
Ya I considered that for a while. The problem was that it was more expensive and 9mm uppers are not as reliable as the Hi-Point.

I just keep reading so many good reviews of this Hi-Point, I just had to see what the hype was about.

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Ya I considered that for a while. The problem was that it was more expensive and 9mm uppers are not as reliable as the Hi-Point.

I just keep reading so many good reviews of this Hi-Point, I just had to see what the hype was about.
+1 I've never had a hiccup from the HiPoint.
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Anyone laughs let them. Mine is pretty darn accurate as well with the right load. I got hornady xtp's in 147 gn to fly out of the ugly little gun with pretty amazing accuracy out to 100yds
Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.
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Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.
I ran 147gr lead through my HiPoint with no problem. Used PowerPistol & Titegroup and all went well.
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I ran 147gr lead through my HiPoint with no problem. Used PowerPistol & Titegroup and all went well.
You might have, but I think I would find out why they recommended not using 147gr bullets.
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You might have, but I think I would find out why they recommended not using 147gr bullets.
With less than full power loads there is a risk of the bullet lodging in the bbl. Not likely, but it's always about CYA.
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Donít know why but in the Speer #14 reloading manual. It has a note that says that 147gr. bullets are not recommended with barrels that are longer than 10 inches.
Might be for pressure concerns, but the Hi-point is rated +p and my routine range loads aren't even close to max pressure. I have run some through it (apocalypse loads) that are running hot, I put a couple hundred through it with no issues. They sure seem to fly well. I load 115's and 124's in 9mm as well I just got the XTP's for a song and tried them out. Haven't run either of the 147 loads across the Chrony yet
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