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Old 12-18-2011, 10:35   #1
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my new 20sf is off

Hi all first post here cause I just picked up my new 20sf. Inspection date was 10 26 11 so its really "new" . Took it out about an hour after purchase and encountered a small problem. 2 foot right and 2 foot low from point of aim. Tried 4 different types of ammo. 200 gr xtp,155 gr xtp, 180 remington fmj and some 200gr blazer. Still 2 right 2 down was trying to shoot a Washington machine from 20 feet and couldn't even hit it till I aimed clear beside it and above it. Installed crimson trace laser grips and set them with the sights so I could see if trigger jerk was a problem but I'm rock steady. Any suggestions? I went though 150 rounds and poi never changed
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:41   #2
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:02   #3
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Nope a righty. I just had some friends come by and shoot it and it did the same for them
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Old 12-18-2011, 19:22   #4
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Thats a pretty dramatic skew from POA. I would look closely at how the barrel locks up to the slide. Also look for crown damage.
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Old 12-18-2011, 19:28   #5
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Is your slide lock installed correctly?
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Old 12-18-2011, 22:18   #6
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Washington Machine? LOL
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Old 12-18-2011, 22:49   #7
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Are ANY of you guys experienced shooters? No offense, but it is AMAZINGLY hard to hit a target when you're new to pistols. If you are experienced (more than 1,000 rounds in the last year), then you have a serious problem. If not, learn the fundamentals, and shoot as much as possible. When I first started shooting, I would have a hard time hitting a target at 7 yards, and when I did, it looked like a shotgun hit it. Now, I can keep all hits in the 9 and 10 rings at nearly 20 yards. It just takes practice.

If, on the other hand, you guys are all experienced, and were shooting other guns with great accuracy, you have a problem. First, you should find someone experienced WITH GLOCKS to shoot the gun. Glocks have a different trigger, and they can be tough to learn at first. If the gun is still that inaccurate in experienced hands, it needs to go back to Glock. My first guess would be something wrong with the slide and/or barrel.

Also, look at your rear sight. On one side, it should have a long dash with a shorter dash above it. If it has anything else (like one long dash and two shorts on top, just one dash, or one long with one short below) it has the wrong sights. Also, it should be dead center in the slide. If you are not an experienced shooter, do not mess with the sights. If the rear sight has the long dash with the short dash above it, and is centered, the sights are good. Incorrect sights would not make it that badly off, though. Maybe a few inches, but not FEET.

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Old 12-18-2011, 23:12   #8
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Go to this site
http://www.lesjones.com/posts/003964.shtml

This is called the Shooter's Wheel of Misfortune, it can help you understand some issues.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:04   #9
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Your shooting at a washing machine from about 7 steps (20 feet) and your missing it 2 foot to the right and 2 foot low...is that true? I'm not sure the gun can shoot that far off and still cycle the gun????? The barrel is centered in the middle of the slide right?

Or, your doing something extreme when your pulling the trigger.
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:04   #10
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It was wrong sights installed brought it back to lgs where I purchased it and thier armorer found it was wrong model of night sights installed. Yes Washington machine is supposed to be washing machine stupid android auto correct
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:11   #11
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this post is ending too early way too funny
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:14   #12
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I can drag it on some. If u want. Can't help I'm a redneck
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:17   #13
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The worst part is it was army marine and a airforce guy standing in the snow trying to shoot a Washing machine that was running and filled with clothes

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Old 12-19-2011, 09:23   #14
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I'm picturing this group looking for a barn about now...
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Old 12-19-2011, 09:32   #15
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It was next to the barn. The one guy bought the washer for 10 dollars and we tested it out and it wouldn't drain so we decided to let the water out the fun way. Got really fun once the saiga 12 came out. U get the three of us together and the iq goes way down
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:15   #16
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The worst part is it was army marine and a airforce guy standing in the snow trying to shoot a Washing machine that was running and filled with clothes
So, a soldier, a marine, and an airman walk up to a Washington machine with a Glock. Who fails the hardest?

Just kidding. Welcome to the 10 Ring.

Glad you got it sorted out. But TWO FEET from bad sights? Usually, the difference between each sight size adjusts POI by 2" at 25 yards. So, to shoot off by 2 FEET, you'd need a rear sight that's 11.7mm tall (stock is 6.9mm). That would shoot 2 feet high at 25 yards.

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Old 12-20-2011, 10:05   #17
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Strangely it was the marine that failed the hardest with it but give the boy a rifle and hit can hit whatever you point out. Don't know the shop took it for a couple hours and replaced sights and checked it over and now I can hit my Target and get pretty decent grouping
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:29   #18
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That's OK, I'm a bit of a redneck too. Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-20-2011, 13:11   #19
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Hi all first post here cause I just picked up my new 20sf. Inspection date was 10 26 11 so its really "new" . Took it out about an hour after purchase and encountered a small problem. 2 foot right and 2 foot low from point of aim. Tried 4 different types of ammo. 200 gr xtp,155 gr xtp, 180 remington fmj and some 200gr blazer. Still 2 right 2 down was trying to shoot a Washington machine from 20 feet and couldn't even hit it till I aimed clear beside it and above it. Installed crimson trace laser grips and set them with the sights so I could see if trigger jerk was a problem but I'm rock steady. Any suggestions? I went though 150 rounds and poi never changed
You asked for suggestions, I'm going to go with, either, improperly installed sights, or, improper sights for the G20 all together!

Would also like to add, kindapointless, you mentioned shooting next to a barn, and missing that badly. You weren't shooting at the broadside of the barn, were you? Just sayin!

Just to keep it going for mj9mm.
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Old 12-20-2011, 20:48   #20
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From now on it will officially be know as.......The Washington Machine!!!

Glad you got it figured out and welcome to the Ten Ring. There are some really good guys that hang out here.
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