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Old 12-20-2011, 14:12   #1
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The VV N320 Kool-Aid

...I admit it, I fell for it!!

I've been shooting USPSA for a couple of years and, ever since I began, I have heard people praising the glories of VV N320. Well, about six months ago, I finally decided to spend nearly $200 and purchased 6lbs of it. I expected it to be super-accurate and produce the lightest recoil impulse of any powder available. Man-oh-man, was I disappointed with the results!!

I have no idea why the "kwel-kids" like this powder so much but the bottom line is that, after six pounds of N320 and 10,000 rounds fired, I still don't see any benefit to using it.

Back to the drawing board...
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Old 12-20-2011, 14:19   #2
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Why I NEVER buy more than a # of anything & test it first. I have at least 6 partial bottles of powder I don't like or down right hate including Clays, TG, Universal, AA#5, BlueDot, RL7, a couple more I can't remember. Consider I load for I think 22 diff calibers, I test quite a few powders before buying anything in bulk. I like the VV powders in certain rifle rounds, but don't like the price or lack of availability in most areas. They are good powders but really don;t do much better if at all than many others.
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Old 12-20-2011, 14:25   #3
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Why I NEVER buy more than a # of anything & test it first.
I thought I was being smart because this powder is ubber-difficult to find and, like I mentioned before, for years I have been hearing the Kool-Aid drinking folks singing its praises.

Lesson learned!!
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Old 12-20-2011, 14:37   #4
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VV is Vihtavuori right.. Because I really want to try this but cant find it local and don't want to pay hazmat on a pound, it will end up being a $60 pound....

VIHTAVUORI N140 1LB POWDER (RIFLE) 12/CS
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Old 12-20-2011, 14:53   #5
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VV is Vihtavuori right..
Yeap, that's the one!

For pistol powders I can find N310 & N340 locally very easily but the N320 spot on the shelve has been sitting empty for years. That's until about six months ago when I first saw any N320 on the shelve and decided that I had to try it out.
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Old 12-20-2011, 15:37   #6
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I tried it. I liked it but didn't think it was any better than WSF. For the extra cost? Nah....
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Old 12-20-2011, 15:37   #7
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Yeap, that's the one!

For pistol powders I can find N310 & N340 locally very easily but the N320 spot on the shelve has been sitting empty for years. That's until about six months ago when I first saw any N320 on the shelve and decided that I had to try it out.
All the VV powders are easy to find compared to N-330. Developed expressly for the 9MM, you'll be hard pressed to find anything that provides better accuracy albeit, not as soft as the quicker powders. FWIW, groups extraordinarily well with every bullet weight I've seen. N-320 can be down-loaded to shoot pretty soft in a 9MM but has never been as accurate. N-340 is pretty good all around too but seems to have a little tighter load window for best accuracy. If I could only have one powder for 9MM, it's N-330, hands down.
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Old 12-20-2011, 15:43   #8
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If I could only have one powder for 9MM, it's N-330, hands down.
You see, now you are making me curious!!

Ha, ha... Nah, I think I'll stick to Titegroup or WSF for now.
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Old 12-20-2011, 16:13   #9
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You see, now you are making me curious!!

Ha, ha... Nah, I think I'll stick to Titegroup or WSF for now.
I'll take both of those over any more VV stuff....

WSF is great, and TG is working for me right now. Just fine and much cheaper.
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What were you putting over the powder and how much ? I have had great results with N320. Still ove my Unique but N320 is clean stuff
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I wonder if 310 would have been better? How fast is 320 compared to the evil TG and WST?
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Old 12-20-2011, 18:16   #12
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N310 is a VERY fast powder. It is good for light target loads in .45ACP and .38 Special. It has the same spikey pressure curve as Clays.
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Old 12-20-2011, 18:20   #13
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What were you putting over the powder and how much ? I have had great results with N320. Still ove my Unique but N320 is clean stuff
It took me a while to figure out a load but I settled on 4.0gr of VV N320 over 124gr FMJ (I tried both Zero & Montana Gold) loaded at an OAL of 1.130" and crimped to 0.377".
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Old 12-20-2011, 18:23   #14
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I wonder if 310 would have been better? How fast is 320 compared to the evil TG and WST?
According to this powder burn rate ( http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html ) N310 is REALLY fast burning. I haven't heard of many folks using it for Minor 9mm loads and I didn't want to chance it.
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You tried Solo already didn't you>
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I wonder if 310 would have been better? How fast is 320 compared to the evil TG and WST?
Very popular in Bullseye competition. I use N-310 some in .45 and believe it or not, in one non-published .40 load. It is very, very, fast and ssems to have higher energy content than S-1000. I don't *think* it would fly well in 9MM but I've not tried it there. It's clean burning even in light loads but anyone that does use it certainly needs to respect it and don't even think about pushing the envelope.
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I have used n320 on 115 cmj and 124 hp MG's very respectable. I even got some pretty good performance out of some 147g GDHP's . Could I live without it ? Sure . But it is a darn good powder in my book.
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Old 12-20-2011, 19:39   #18
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In 9mm I haven't found anything I like better than Power Pistol.
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It's european so it has to be better. They are smarter than us after all
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