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Old 12-21-2011, 19:06   #1
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Man shoots at mouse, hits roommate; another roommate arrested for rape

Man shoots at mouse, hits roommate; another roommate arrested for rape


http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148...ested-for-rape


Wow! You just never know.

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Old 12-21-2011, 19:41   #2
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Did you see the sidebar on the guy who had his life savings stolen from his closet ----------- by his daughter.
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The mouse deserves a medal. If these ****** bags have any 9mm left I know what to do with it.
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Old 12-21-2011, 21:15   #7
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Sounds like my town.

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Thank GAWD the roommate didn't have a 10mm.
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Thank GAWD the roommate didn't have a 10mm.
Bwahahaha!

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:57   #14
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The mouse deserves a medal. If these ****** bags have any 9mm left I know what to do with it.
I have this mental image of the mouse sauntering around the house, unscathed, chuckling to itself, after the cops leave with d-bag numbers 1 and 2, and the medics leave with victims 3 and 4.
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I have this mental image of the mouse sauntering around the house, unscathed, chuckling to itself, after the cops leave with d-bag numbers 1 and 2, and the medics leave with victims 3 and 4.
I'm glad I'm not the only one, lol.
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I'm wondering what led them to search the basement closet.
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I'm wondering what led them to search the basement closet.
are they gone yet.....are they gone yet......?



In all seriousness, maybe searching for where the projectile ended up, or heard something?
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Old 12-24-2011, 13:47   #18
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are they gone yet.....are they gone yet......?



In all seriousness, maybe searching for where the projectile ended up, or heard something?
I dunno.... I'm hoping they weren't exceeding the limits of a protective sweep, or had some articulable exigency.
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If I'm sweeping a house, I open every door and check every space a human could hide.
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If I'm sweeping a house, I open every door and check every space a human could hide.
I use a broom, but that's just me. I don't have the training and backup to clear a house with a gun by myself...

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If I'm sweeping a house, I open every door and check every space a human could hide.
What we do, and what SCOTUS allows to be admissible under plain view may not always be the same thing.

To quote Maryland v. Buie, SCOTUS stated incident to an arrest officers can, as a precautionary matter and without probable cause or reasonable suspicion, look in closets and other spaces immediately adjoining the place of arrest from which an attack could be immediately launched." But to justify a broader sweep, there must be articulable facts which, taken together with the rational inferences from those facts, would warrant a reasonably prudent officer in believing that the area to be swept harbors an individual posing danger to those on the arrest scene.

It's not even a question about being safe... Evidence be damned. I'm going to secure a crime scene for everyone's safety. But I also know that I chance losing anything I find that could be considered outside the scope of a protective sweep. I'm okay with that, as long all my guys go home at the end of the shift.

In this case, I would hate to see everything suppressed of they went beyond a reasonable scope. Since I don't know what all the facts are in this case, I would like to know what led them to search a basement closet to find the girl.
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They may lose the case in court, but at least the child is safe.

It reminds me of the first Dirty Harry movie..."Well I'm all broken up about that man's rights."
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They may lose the case in court, but at least the child is safe.

It reminds me of the first Dirty Harry movie..."Well I'm all broken up about that man's rights."
I agree. I'm just curious to know if they had something to go on. I hope they did. What's ultimately important is that the officers and the girl are safe. I'd also like to see the guy get what he deserves, without being able to wiggle out of it.

If it were my daughter, the sicko would be begging for a plea deal, to keep away from me.
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True. But you have a shooting victim in a house. You don't know if there are other shooting victims and you don't know if the story they told you is true or not. I wouldn't be doing a protective sweep incident to arrest. I'd be doing a search looking for any additional victims or suspects.
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True. But you have a shooting victim in a house. You don't know if there are other shooting victims and you don't know if the story they told you is true or not. I wouldn't be doing a protective sweep incident to arrest. I'd be doing a search looking for any additional victims or suspects.
I completely understand that. I'm just curious as to how they could articulate looking for additional victims in a basement closet, or suspects in an accidental shooting.

As I said in an earlier post, what SCOTUS allows as admissible under plain view (from a protective sweep in this case) and what we do to ensure the safety of people at the scene, are not always the same thing. And rightfully so. I'm not going to gamble with anyone's safety on one of my scenes, just because I might lose some evidence. Safety is paramount.

I hope in this instance they had some articulable facts to extend a protective sweep, the basement was inclusive, or they could articulate the action under community care taking. I would hate see a child molester get off on a technicality.
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