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Old 01-07-2012, 17:19   #1
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hydra-shoks

I just finished a thread putting down hydra-shoks.
I'm curious as to dept.'s and other agencies still issuing
these???
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Old 01-07-2012, 17:29   #2
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Aren't Hydra Shoks old tech.?
Its the HST now

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Old 01-07-2012, 18:21   #3
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Brad-yes hydra-shoks are to a certain degree. According to federal it is still a top seller
for leo and civilian. I was amazed at how many agencies still use them! Some have switched back to them.
I've heard rumors about winchester ranger ammo problems?
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Old 01-07-2012, 18:44   #4
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Just because it's not the latest whiz bang bullet does not mean it won't work. Are they my first choice? Nope but I'd use them if it's what i had no problem. We get caught up way to often in the newest this and thatl ike 9BPLE. It's been putting folks on the ground for 30yrs, no whiz bang bullet just performance.
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Old 01-07-2012, 18:45   #5
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high rate of failure to expand with those
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Old 01-07-2012, 18:55   #6
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Hydra shok 80 - HST Now

Think Miami vice, big hair, halter tops, pastel colors.
Top rated in the 80s and will still work today but...
New high tech bullets (HST) with that expand at lower velocities.
Are bonded for limited core jacket separation through light barriers (auto glass / car doors).
And run fast burn, low flash, gunpowder for short barrel performance.
These are advantages are worth having.

There is a Federal LE Tactical® Hydra-Shok®.
And I don't know if it's been updated or not? (I'm thinking yes)
That may add to the confusion.

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Old 01-07-2012, 19:21   #7
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Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they quit making them. I never liked them. I've seen the 45 230 Hydra Shok bounce off car doors before.
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Old 01-08-2012, 14:21   #8
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Brad-yes hydra-shoks are to a certain degree. According to federal it is still a top seller
for leo and civilian. I was amazed at how many agencies still use them! Some have switched back to them.
I've heard rumors about winchester ranger ammo problems?
They are still Federals top shelf cross over personal protection and LE round. So long as there is consumer demand they will still make it.

I'm a Ranger dealer, there is no tech bulletins or recent recalls on ammo right now.
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Old 01-08-2012, 15:04   #9
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Many depts used to issue them, they were pretty good in their day. Yes, old tech, but they do still work, probably as well as any other, but they do cost more than most & that is going to win the contract @ the end of the day.
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:02   #10
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I understand the source, but M&S were not promoting slow, heavy bullets. If there is any validity, it looks like a pretty good bullet design.

http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppi...=18&Weight=230
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Old 01-09-2012, 04:12   #11
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thats a cool link w/lots of cool data
thanks for sharing

interesting how the heavier grain 10mm rounds did less stopping
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:43   #12
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I cant list any offhand.

However, after being forced to carry FMJ, you have a new appreciation for JHPs. I would have no problem whatsoever carrying Hydrashoks in my weapon as long as I know they were reliable.

I have tested them in ballistic gelatin in the past (135 and 147 grain 9mm) and even through 4 layers of denim I had no bullets fail to expand.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:23   #13
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They are old technology, but they'll still punch holes in people just like the newest designs. That being said, it doesn't make sense to choose Hydrashoks when the newest designs that perform better and more reliably cost the same.

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They are old technology, but they'll still punch holes in people just like the newest designs. That being said, it doesn't make sense to choose Hydrashoks when the newest designs that perform better and more reliably cost the same.

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In many cases cost less! Point, if you have a couple boxes of HydrSHok, they don't need to be thrown away. Many, many LEO & civ used them & still do to great affect today.
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If and when I become LEO and my department issues HydraShocks, I will use them with confidence. They will penetrate and expand and put perps on the ground consistently
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I have a box of 50 left over from 1996, through them in the car trunk, can't seem to shoot them up, or throw them away.
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I still recall when they were "Scorpion" rounds. Pretty neat back then... Back then...

In the 80's we had one agency issue the 124gr. +P+ Hydra-Shok in 9mm. It was way slow, quite lame, and didn't expand worth a fart, after what mattered.

Can't say it doesn't work, but have they updated the design, since I was a young man>?
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:30   #18
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I have no problems with hydra shocks. We carry them in our guns and they seem to work well. Truth being told we have not had an officer involved shooting in over 20 years. Not a whole lot of performance information to draw from.
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There are better, and worse bullets. Many agencies around here used to issue the hydra-shok, but have since switched to other brands.
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I still recall when they were "Scorpion" rounds. Pretty neat back then... Back then...

In the 80's we had one agency issue the 124gr. +P+ Hydra-Shok in 9mm. It was way slow, quite lame, and didn't expand worth a fart, after what mattered.

Can't say it doesn't work, but have they updated the design, since I was a young man>?
Many of the Hydra-Shok bullets in various calibers and weights have undergone redesigns over the years, especially regarding the center post in the HP cavity.

Note: when Tom Burczynski still held the rights to the Hydra-Shok, there were quite a few different rounds in different calibers. The Scorpion load was just one style in 38Spl. (146gr wadcutter style). There was also the UPL, UDL, Hunter, etc.
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