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Old 01-10-2012, 01:19   #1
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G-20 and 10mm a love hate relationship

I have had my g20 about 2 years now. I like the gun and shoot it very well but I'm thinking of trading it off.

I like alot about it. I shoot it well, its dead reliable, and I love being able to shoot 22lr and 40 sw with the same gun.

After I have carried it in the field and around camp many times I have decided that I probably should have got the G-29. The reason is the long grip is uncomfortable with strong side carry when I sit down as it presses into the chair when sitting and by the end of the day causes my back to hurt(I have a serious back injury). While hunting and carrying the gun on my hip the g20 is fine but less weight would be better. When I carry it in a chest holster the dang grip is just a little too long and gets in the way of the calls around my neck and sometimes my long gun. In addition, while sitting with a chest holster its is too large with the barrel pressing into my gut and grip in the way again. I shoot the G20 so well that I think I can handle a 29 even though there is no place for the pinky.

Aside from the issues of hauling such a large gun around there is a large area of the state that is lead free. There are no lead free loads suitable for defense from bear and hog backup. Why doesn't barnes make a 180 gr TSX!? Last there are no snake loads available. After running into a few rattlers this year and taking them out with my shotgun I thought if I would of had to let him live. I would really like my first round to be snake shot and this also provides a warning as blackbear usualy are not that aggresive and a loud noise is usualy all that is needed.

So with all this in mind I'm considering trading the gun off for a G-29 or maybe moving up to a 44mag, 45 LC, or similar.

what do you guys think? Ideal would be a g29 for the desert and a 44mag for bear country but I can't afford to be invested in 2 handguns. I also thought a 44 mag is very good for hunting and that could be cool. Downside is a 44mag is heavy and big.
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Old 01-10-2012, 02:05   #2
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i'd be REALLY reluctant to give up full size sight radius and full size grip. Sounds like you need to adjust the rake of your holster.

You wil save very little weight with the 29, and lose sight radius too. I just can't grow to love the compacts like the full size guns.
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:32   #3
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I dont see anything wrong with going to a G29. And Im pretty sure there are .40sw birdshot loads available. If this is the case, you should consider using the .40cal birdshot on top of a mag full of 10mm. Im sure your barrel will handle one .40sw birdshot load every now and then just fine!
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:34   #4
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http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_s...oduct1581.html

found some 40sw birdshot here...
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For your uses, I'd suggest staying with a 10mm Glock.... The G20 and G29 are basically the same accuracy but the G29 definitely has a smaller grip. You shouldn't have any accuracy issues with either model. The .44 will bee too much for what it SOUNDS like you're using it for. Way too much.

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Old 01-10-2012, 08:15   #6
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If snakes are an issue, you might want to consider handling a Ruger BH or SBH while you're at it in .357, .41, .44 or .45 Colt. Used prices on these tend to be under $400.

Might be fine and I'm sure there is someway to make a 10mm birdshot load and it's something you might want to try out first, but I'd be concerned with the semi choking with the bird shot up front.

If snakes are around they are probably more of a hazard then a bear.

Not sure of the all copper bullets or pellets, but you might find a bullet in .44

I've got to wonder just how many Condor's have really died due to lead poisoning.

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Old 01-10-2012, 08:42   #7
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I also love my G20 but hate that it's huge & heavy. I'm considering a lighter weight & more compact solution. I'm eyeing down a S&W .44mag mountain gun revolver w/scandium frame or a 340pd .357mag. Check those two guns out and tell me what ya think!
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:04   #8
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1- you cant shoot a 40 in a 10mm barrel, but they do make the shot "projectiles" that could be loaded.
2- it sounds like you have more HOLSTER issues than gun issues. a decent kydex holster can solve most of your problems. Check out Dale Fricke Holsters. a phone call or email will answer your questions
3-they dont make a barnes 180gr because of the length that would be required. the copper bullets perform differently than typical jacketed bullets do in that they penetrate deeper with less weight because of the petal design. a 165 barnes will perform similarly to a 180gr gold dot/XTP
4- if you want a revolver, may I reccomend a 454 Casull chambering. it can shoot 45 colt all day with no problems yet you still have the option of bumping up in power. chamberings in that caliber have one of the widest ranges of commercially available power choices of any revolver if you consider the 45 colt loads, ans snake shot is among them.
5- a decent leather thigh/cowboy holster and cartridge belt combo for a magnum revolver has always worked really well for me and stays put, doesnt interfere with sitting and is quick to draw from. you just dont feel the wieght when it's properly holstered and the leather keeps it from sliding around on your leg. I hike with one all the time.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:16   #9
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Yes, you can shoot .40sw in a 10mm barrel, it has been done quite a bit. Just not something I would do every day. But in a pinch, it works great!
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Yes, you can shoot .40sw in a 10mm barrel, it has been done quite a bit. Just not something I would do every day. But in a pinch, it works great!
It might "work" but its unsafe. Many have done it but I have always recommended against it. You are forcing the round to "jump the gap" of the chamber.... and putting a lof of strain on the extractor, as well.

I only fire rounds out of a barrel if that barrel says the caliber on it. Period. YMMV
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:27   #11
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I have a 329 pd 4" skandia frame titanium cyl. 44 magnum with a great holster. LNIB
I would be willing to take your G20 as partial trade.( I am thinking of a longslide project)
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Old 01-10-2012, 14:50   #12
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Buy a 15 round mag with an A & G mag sleeve if you need a woods gun and switch to the 10 round mag for carry. Best of both worlds
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To answer the part about the Barnes with "No 180gr"...these all copper bullets are very long to get the weights they have! The 140gr Barnes is as long as the 200grain XTP at 0.680" in length! The 155's are even longer! This occupies the space normally used of podwer to provide the energy to shove them faster.
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Old 01-10-2012, 17:19   #14
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Well some good info here.

The scandium frame 44mags look sweet but a little out of my price range. The 44 does have a lead free available that would be good for hunting.

I knew that copper bullets are longer but did not realize they are that long! I figured if you can do 220 grains of lead then 180 grain would of copper would be good. I realize their iperformance is better. However, I think the copper 10mm bullets are built to expand for self defense. I don't think they are like a TSX that is designed to penetrate. I would feel pretty good with 155 or 165 TSX.

I guess I really only run into snakes in the desert and lion country. In that situation I could just carry the 40 sw barrel with snake shot.

I have a very nice simply rugged holster. Its really comfortable while walking but sitting in the lawn chair at camp that dang grip is in the way. I could carry crossdraw but for some reason it is not comfortable for me.

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Old 01-10-2012, 19:19   #15
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527, I was in the same boat as you. I sold my G20 about a month ago and just got the G29 this weekend. Until I shot the 29 the next day I forgot how much I like the 10mm.

I have a Simply Rugged for a SP 101, and agree it's not very comfortable.
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Lead Free.... You mean shot right?
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I have had my g20 about 2 years now. I like the gun and shoot it very well but I'm thinking of trading it off.

I like alot about it. I shoot it well, its dead reliable, and I love being able to shoot 22lr and 40 sw with the same gun.

After I have carried it in the field and around camp many times I have decided that I probably should have got the G-29. The reason is the long grip is uncomfortable with strong side carry when I sit down as it presses into the chair when sitting and by the end of the day causes my back to hurt(I have a serious back injury). While hunting and carrying the gun on my hip the g20 is fine but less weight would be better. When I carry it in a chest holster the dang grip is just a little too long and gets in the way of the calls around my neck and sometimes my long gun. In addition, while sitting with a chest holster its is too large with the barrel pressing into my gut and grip in the way again. I shoot the G20 so well that I think I can handle a 29 even though there is no place for the pinky.

Aside from the issues of hauling such a large gun around there is a large area of the state that is lead free. There are no lead free loads suitable for defense from bear and hog backup. Why doesn't barnes make a 180 gr TSX!? Last there are no snake loads available. After running into a few rattlers this year and taking them out with my shotgun I thought if I would of had to let him live. I would really like my first round to be snake shot and this also provides a warning as blackbear usualy are not that aggresive and a loud noise is usualy all that is needed.

So with all this in mind I'm considering trading the gun off for a G-29 or maybe moving up to a 44mag, 45 LC, or similar.

what do you guys think? Ideal would be a g29 for the desert and a 44mag for bear country but I can't afford to be invested in 2 handguns. I also thought a 44 mag is very good for hunting and that could be cool. Downside is a 44mag is heavy and big.
I shot a 44 Mag, now a 629 for about 30 years. Still think it is a little light for
big bears, maybe black. Big it is a great round.
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Lead Free.... You mean shot right?
No, not lead free shot. We can use lead shot. You cannot posses centerfire ammunition thath contains lead.

I think the 29 would be the ticket. Its size will keep it out of the way. The 44mag is just too heavy. Maybe I should try a new holster first. We can't even carry 15 rounds anyways, its 10 only in CA. Problem is I want to trade and will never find one in OD green. I have to check if they even make an OD g29.
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No, not lead free shot. We can use lead shot. You cannot posses centerfire ammunition thath contains lead.

I think the 29 would be the ticket. Its size will keep it out of the way. The 44mag is just too heavy. Maybe I should try a new holster first. We can't even carry 15 rounds anyways, its 10 only in CA. Problem is I want to trade and will never find one in OD green. I have to check if they even make an OD g29.
I didn't realize you can only have 10rds. Simple decision then. Also, they DID make ODG29's but they are kinda rare I hear.
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I will never give up my G20 10mm but add and add until I have all the options I want. That is the beauty of this awesome pistol...

I really think if you shoot it like you say you do, you are in love with it as much as I am with mine.
You have answered part of your problem with the 40 cal barrel and shot. There are so many situation we ALL say a different cal is best Cmon that is the best part of shooting ((((( spice of life is verity))))) The 20 offers the most you can get in a single pistol. Power for the hunt is there along with 50 other situation.

I got the glock combat holster when I got my G20. Looked cheap but did the job at first but no give at all, slide exposed and for me not enough retention. I even had it pop up once getting into the truck I guess it it the female part of my seat belt. I tried many holsters and looked for months be for buying my hunter OWB. It turn out to be just what I was looking for thumb snap retention is fast as lighting same all one motion and flawless, the holster cover the whole side, proper cant, single fat wide belt loop, to me it is perfect. Not saying it is the best just works perfect every day for me. I cant see getting anything else. So perhaps think holster. OR

Dude can't believe anyone would think about giving up their G20 because of a F-in lawn chair. CUT A HOLE IN THAT DAMN CHAIR AND BLOWN THAT FRICKIN RATTLERS HEAD OFF.

G-20 FOR LIFE I know you wont sell it.
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527, What are you suppose to shoot? Only copper bullets? God I'm so glad I got out of CA in the late 70's before it went to crap. Saw the writing on the wall. So what can you shoot? Is all lead and jacketed bullets a no no? To me that means over all your screwed. Or am I wrong here?

Seeing your limited to 10 round mags. The 29 looks like gold! And there are after market barrels to help you put more umph in your shot. But over all it sounds like your screwed. I had no idea they had pushed lead free that far. You don't even want to know what we use to doctor up JHP cavity's with in the olden days.

I wish you the best of luck concerning the shooting sports.
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I have shot and carried the .40 CCI Shotshells in my 20SF. Usually I have one in the chamber and the rest of the mag JHP's, hard cast etc. When in snake country.

If you look, the entire .40 Shotshell profile is almost identical to CCI's 180 grn FMJ in .40 S&W

The .40 shotshell when chambered in a 40 s&w headspaces on the crimp of the shotshell, which acts like the case mouth. The very top of the shell is rolled over to hold the wad in place.

When the .40 s&w shotshell is chambered in a 10mm, it is obviously headspaced on the breech face, but when fired out of the 10mm, the roll crimp at the very top of the shotshell is blown open allowing the first wad, and shot to escape. This so called "opening up" of the shell when fired, covers the gap of the added .146 length between the .40 and 10mm chamber.

The .40 Shotshells do not cycle in my 10mm like they do in my 27. You have to rack the slide every time.

But, .40 S&W Shotshells are Good To Go in the 10mm, and actually patern pretty well too!

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Why doesn't barnes make a 180 gr TSX!?
Because the density of copper is too low to make a 180gr. bullet to fit in the case with there still being enough room for powder to send it off at a decent velocity. I think you can get no-lead bullets that aren't made of copper to solve this problem though, and I don't think the 150 (or whatever it is) barnes would be inadequate for any game I can think of for hunting or defense.

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Last there are no snake loads available. After running into a few rattlers this year and taking them out with my shotgun I thought if I would of had to let him live. I would really like my first round to be snake shot and this also provides a warning as blackbear usualy are not that aggresive and a loud noise is usualy all that is needed.
Solved by reloading. A while ago, someone posted a DIY snake shot load thread on here or the 10mm reloading forum and it was cool!

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So with all this in mind I'm considering trading the gun off for a G-29 or maybe moving up to a 44mag, 45 LC, or similar.

what do you guys think? Ideal would be a g29 for the desert and a 44mag for bear country but I can't afford to be invested in 2 handguns. I also thought a 44 mag is very good for hunting and that could be cool. Downside is a 44mag is heavy and big.
I bought the G29 as a one-gun-does-all solution for shooting and hunting at short ranges + concealed carry. It does all of those things pretty well.

I have a .40 s&w barrel for it and a .22lr aa conversion kit. I think the combo is great. I have yet to kill something with the aa conversion kit, so I guess I will have to get a license and go solve that.
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Someone needs to make a tungsten/copper alloy bullet for CA if they don't already.
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I would get the G29. It should work fine. Also, the copper Barnes bullets penetrate VERY deeply. I've seen equivalent penetration from the 125gr Barnes TAC-XP as I have from 180gr XTPs. That's saying something! I bet a 155gr TAC-XP would do even better. You can find a way to make snake shot a reality. I would first give the G20 another shot with better holster solutions. What about a drop-down thigh holster, or a weak-side cross draw holster? You could always try something like a shoulder holster, or even get radical and attach a holster to your weak-side upper arm. If you get creative, you could make the G20 work.
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